Canon de 155 mm Mle 1932

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Post by jopaerya » 08 Dec 2007 12:29

Hi , here 2 other ones from Ebay.de

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Post by David Lehmann » 09 Dec 2007 13:59

Carl Schwamberger wrote:Anything in the documents for these cannon indicating how they were used? What sort of targets, if they fired as corps artillery or as a specialize battalion under a army command, or as reinforcing for divsion fires?


Hello,

AFAIK the Mle1932 155mm L Schneider gun was mainly used by the French Navy for its 'mobile' batteries. When emplaced on the platform (which needed no peculiar preparation of the ground) it had a full 360° traverse. The strange shape of the wheels is to allow the easy 360° traverse, which would not have been possible with pneumatics. Only 16 guns (4 batteries of 4 guns) were in service in 1939/1940.

• Battery n°1 was mobilized in Sfax (Tunisia), moved to Gabès (Tunisia) in February 1940 and was sent back to Sfax (Tunisia) on 8 June 1940. It is transfered to Bône on 25 June 1940 and Nemours on 22 August 1940 (Algeria) where it was still deployed on 8 November 1942. This battery never left North-Africa.

• Battery n°2 (Capitaine de Corvette Hamelin and later Lieutenant de Vaisseau Brenot) was first in Toulon.

• Battery n°3 (Lieutenant de Vaisseau Jabet) was first in Bizerte (Tunisia).

• A 4th battery was in Senegal but no battery number is mentioned. This battery in Western Africa was in fact not mobile; it was a fixed coastal artillery battery with 4x 155mm Mle1932 Schneider emplaced at Yof, near Dakar. Another difference is that it belonged to the Army, not the Navy, and was manned by colonial artillery personnel. The Yof 155mm battery was replaced by one with 138mm Mle1924 guns (September 1941), and the 155mm guns relocated to Cap Manuel (also in the Dakar area), at which point the battery passed under Navy control.

Batteries n°2 and n°3 took part in the campaign of France. They were at Montebourg (France) in August 1939 and served together during the campaign. Only these two batteries got the Somua MCG4 halftracks, 3 per gun for a tolal of 24 MCG4 halftracks (3 packs : 8,600 kg with the barrel, 8,000 kg with the carriage and 6,000 kg with the platform), and were really mobile batteries. They were sent in Belgium in May 1940 and battery n°3 was also used in the Netherlands to support the French troops landed in Walcheren against the Waffen-SS "Deutschland" regiment. The batteries n°2 and n°3 ended up at Dunkirk, where they proved to be very efficient in defending the allied pocket at 360°. Concerning battery n°2: 2 guns were destroyed at Gravelines on May 24, 1 gun was destroyed on the road between Grande-Synthe and Petite-Synthe, the last gun is still firing on June 2 and is finally scuttled. Concerning the battery n°3: 2 guns were detached to the 2nd battery and were scuttled beginning June. The 2 other guns were near Vallières and were scuttled on June 3.

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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 09 Dec 2007 17:16

David Lehmann wrote:
Carl Schwamberger wrote:Anything in the documents for these cannon indicating how they were used? What sort of targets, if they fired as corps artillery or as a specialize battalion under a army command, or as reinforcing for divsion fires?


Hello,

AFAIK the Mle1932 155mm L Schneider gun was mainly used by the French Navy for its 'mobile' batteries. When emplaced on the platform (which needed no peculiar preparation of the ground) it had a full 360° traverse. The strange shape of the wheels is to allow the easy 360° traverse, which would not have been possible with pneumatics. Only 16 guns (4 batteries of 4 guns) were in service in 1939/1940.

• Battery n°1 was mobilized in Sfax (Tunisia), moved to Gabès (Tunisia) in February 1940 and was sent back to Sfax (Tunisia) on 8 June 1940. It is transfered to Bône on 25 June 1940 and Nemours on 22 August 1940 (Algeria) where it was still deployed on 8 November 1942. This battery never left North-Africa.

• Battery n°2 (Capitaine de Corvette Hamelin and later Lieutenant de Vaisseau Brenot) was first in Toulon.

• Battery n°3 (Lieutenant de Vaisseau Jabet) was first in Bizerte (Tunisia).

• A 4th battery was in Senegal but no battery number is mentioned. This battery in Western Africa was in fact not mobile; it was a fixed coastal artillery battery with 4x 155mm Mle1932 Schneider emplaced at Yof, near Dakar. Another difference is that it belonged to the Army, not the Navy, and was manned by colonial artillery personnel. The Yof 155mm battery was replaced by one with 138mm Mle1924 guns (September 1941), and the 155mm guns relocated to Cap Manuel (also in the Dakar area), at which point the battery passed under Navy control.

Batteries n°2 and n°3 took part in the campaign of France. They were at Montebourg (France) in August 1939 and served together during the campaign. Only these two batteries got the Somua MCG4 halftracks, 3 per gun for a tolal of 24 MCG4 halftracks (3 packs : 8,600 kg with the barrel, 8,000 kg with the carriage and 6,000 kg with the platform), and were really mobile batteries. They were sent in Belgium in May 1940 and battery n°3 was also used in the Netherlands to support the French troops landed in Walcheren against the Waffen-SS "Deutschland" regiment. The batteries n°2 and n°3 ended up at Dunkirk, where they proved to be very efficient in defending the allied pocket at 360°. Concerning battery n°2: 2 guns were destroyed at Gravelines on May 24, 1 gun was destroyed on the road between Grande-Synthe and Petite-Synthe, the last gun is still firing on June 2 and is finally scuttled. Concerning the battery n°3: 2 guns were detached to the 2nd battery and were scuttled beginning June. The 2 other guns were near Vallières and were scuttled on June 3.

Regards,

David


Excellent. Any indication of the targets those at Walcheren or Dunkirk attacked. Or any information on how they were fit into the artillery tactical control?

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Post by Manuferey » 27 Dec 2007 18:38

Here is an interesting picture of WW1 US heavy coastal guns (according to the caption) with wheels very similar to the wheels of the 155 Mle 1932 gun. Do you know what type of guns they are ? maybe of French origin ?

http://www.gwpda.org/photos/bin14/imag1351.jpg
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http://www.gwpda.org/photos/arty2.htm


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Post by Manuferey » 29 Dec 2007 17:59

In viewtopic.php?t=94778,
there is a picture of the same type of gun at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in the US. A member of the forum has identified it as a German 15 cm SK L/45. If it’s the case, it seems that the Germans had copied the French wheel design of the 155 Mle 1932 for their own coastal artillery!
What do you think ?

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Post by jopaerya » 29 Dec 2007 19:05

Hi Emmanuel

I have heard from the 17 cm S.K.L/40 "Samuel" in a field lafette used in W.W.1
but never of the 15 cm S.K.L/45 thanks for sharing this information .

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Re: Canon de 155 mm Mle 1932

Post by SASH155 » 26 Jun 2008 00:04

These guns were actually former U.S. Navy 6 inch (152mm) Mk. VIII naval guns from decommissioned pre-dreadnoughts and armored cruisers mounted on a specially designed field carriage. As to the wheels they were a heavy spoked tractor type, almost akin to road roller wheels of the period.

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Re: Canon de 155 mm Mle 1932

Post by Manuferey » 28 Jun 2008 01:52

Thanks SASH155. Do you know when the US Army made the conversion ?

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Re: Canon de 155 mm Mle 1932

Post by jopaerya » 26 Jul 2008 10:25

Hi

This are 2 photo's from the Canon de 155 mm Mle 1932 , as you can see some
are complete in firing position and others in the 3 loads travelling postions .

Photo's = Ebay.de

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Re: Canon de 155 mm Mle 1932

Post by SASH155 » 27 Jul 2008 22:30

The surplus U.S. six inch naval guns were mounted on the carriages in 1918 and 1919 apparently. There was also a 7 inch gun on a tracked carriage

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Re: Canon de 155 mm Mle 1932

Post by tonmid » 28 Mar 2010 19:37

Hi,
Anybody there who can give me informations about the efforts of the 3rd battery of the mobile marine battery in Zeeuws Vlaanderen supporting the France troops on May 16th and 17th 1940 on Walcheren. Maybe orders, wardiary. Otherwise targets, total rounds.
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Post by jopaerya » 04 Apr 2010 21:23

Hello Ton

It's a small world , living in the same street and then on the W.W.W.
I knew that Hans Sakkers has visit French archive's in Vincennes but
could not find any original data of the guns on the May 16th and 17th 1940 .

Photo = Ebay.de

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Re: Canon de 155 mm Mle 1932

Post by jopaerya » 25 Sep 2010 16:39

This great gun was according to the photocaption placed in Gravelines .

Picture's = Ebay.de

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Re: Canon de 155 mm Mle 1932

Post by jopaerya » 11 Oct 2010 19:26

Hello

Could this be the Canon de 155 mm Mle 1932 ?????????????? Please note that this was a plan .

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Re: Canon de 155 mm Mle 1932

Post by Manuferey » 13 Oct 2010 00:44

Hi Jos,

On a German list of naval weapons of 1943 that you have posted in this thread:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=103122
the designation appears as 15,5 cm KM 32(f) with a range of 27.5 km.

This is the max. range of the 155 mm Mle 32 you mentioned here:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0

So it looks like the K32(f) became KM 32(f) and was indeed the 155 mm Mle 1932 used by the Kriegsmarine.

Emmanuel

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