'Basement' of 117

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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by der bunkermann » 02 Feb 2015, 07:35

Hi Alain.

Maybe it would be nice if it was easyer to get acces to that forum, i tried in the past without result..

Gr, Tim from Holland.

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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by jazote » 02 Feb 2015, 12:30

der bunkermann wrote:Hi Alain.

Maybe it would be nice if it was easyer to get acces to that forum, i tried in the past without result..
r, Tim from Holland.
Hi ! acces is very easy for now....


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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by dirk Peeters » 02 Feb 2015, 12:42

For all members ? also for blocked members ? there are a lot of persons who can t enter (Forbidden) and i don t speak only for myself
What is wrong to give the pictures here for our danish and holland memebrs who doesn t speak french ...
so stop giving links for something you have to inscribe
It isnt very usefull
we haven t got either the time to look at all forums each day
The Belfras aren t also given the link at "lebonform" in France and we discuss there also a lot of topics we open here on axis too
it sounds a bit for publicity
first AC who starts with these links and now you. Why ? a new strategy ?
so open the links without trouble for anyone or place the pictures here
we exchange with everyone documents (Whole documents and not small stamps taken out of documents) we do this all here on axis without excluding people

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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by dirk Peeters » 02 Feb 2015, 12:42

and sorry for answering in a topic
because this has noting to do with the 117 topic
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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by Chazette » 02 Feb 2015, 18:53

I am just a participant in the Atlantikwallsuperforum forum, I'm not moderator or administrator
If the forum has become a closed party and need to register, it's that there has been slippage and most of French forums you must be registered to see

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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by dirk Peeters » 02 Feb 2015, 19:00

I ll understand Alain
but that is why we don t give the link to the other french forum
it isn t easy for foreign people to subschribe
I tried once to subscribe to a norvegian forum ... Didn t succeeded thats why i ll ask put the pictures here also
a form of politness and many folks are going to be pleased
Thats all
not an attack
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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by Chazette » 02 Feb 2015, 19:20

Hi all
I give the link because I think that this may possibly be interested in about people
This is information, but I do not do it to each topic !!! far from it
AVB looked to for example
But for various reasons I will not write it 3 times
1 / because they have to change all the images that are heavy, because this forum does not accept native images
2 / it takes time and I do not have (on forums I go breezed)
3 / it's so French about his priority is to be on the French forum
While some people have problems to register, you must ask AVB or SES, or others who are enrolled without problems and can explain this entry
For me it is not my forum, so everyone goes where he wants, when he wants and unconstrained
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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by der bunkermann » 02 Feb 2015, 22:02

clear! :D

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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by SES » 02 Feb 2015, 22:46

Hi,
I registered a few years ago with no problem.
bregds
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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by moonraker » 02 Feb 2015, 23:56

"For me it is not my forum, so everyone goes where he wants"

hello
links pictures serwing,photobuket,tinipic apply to all forums,just copy paste 30 Seconde maxi. the rest is wrong.you have this forum under control.
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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by Chazette » 03 Feb 2015, 00:09

L'O.B.L Nord (dont la Festung Brest) comprend en juillet 1944 les Regelbauten suivant :
1 Regelbau 120 = situé à Av 43 Pen ar Créac'h (colonne OT 102)
1 Regelbau 613 = situé à l'école navale Br 115 (colonne OT 105)
3 Regelbauten 627 = à Roscoff Mo 94, Morgat C 25 et au Stp Po 46
(colonne OT 108)
3 Regelbauten 637 = non trouvés sûrement non réalisés en cours de construction
1 Regelbau 636 (Camaret pointe du Gouin Cr 04 (colonne OT 109)

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De plus, dans ce secteur, il existe un petit nombre d'observatoires d'artillerie du type Regelbau 637a
Or ceux-ci n'apparaissent pas dans la liste.
En fait, ils sont bien comptabilisés ici, mais dans la colonne 117 avec un nombre de 8 exemplaires.
Mais comment est-ce possible ???
Eh bien cette colonne est une colonne fourre-tout pour les observatoires de type 637a ou 143, ou 143 neu
Et en voici la preuve via un autre document qui nous indique bien cette même colonne 117 pour le 637a (ici en exemple)
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Sur les 8 exemplaires annoncés, j'ai pu trouver :
637a de Re 39 Illien
637a Re 108 Kermorvan
637a Re 115 Kermorvan
637a (en cours de construction sur Cr 45)

117a le 1er 117a au Wn Br 120.
la vue aérienne
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au sol
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Donc, on a dit 3 x 117a dans le secteur de Brest :
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la différence et la forme d'un 117a par rapport au 117b
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Le premier 117a, on vient de le voir au Wn Br 120.

Le second 117a est au Wn Br 42 Valy Hir avec aussi sa cloche 486P2 :
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Le troisième et dernier et au Wn Br 78 à Saint-Martin :
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L'orifice pour la cloche est obturé :
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Vue aérienne de ce 117a:
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Maintenant un petit scoop ! :cheers: :D
Sur cette vue aérienne, on voit à gauche un grand bâtiment avec toit en tôles, avec à l'avant un petit mur et à gauche en parallèle un second bâtiment plus petit.
Voici sa construction en direct (vous pourrez visionner toutes les pièces grâce aux coffrages)
Vue aérienne globale avec la grande maison dans le fond (visible ci-dessous en haut de la photo)
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Vous remarquerez la façon de coffrer (chaque ensemble de coffrage possède un numéro, voir aussi la pose des tuyaux,
exemple concret comparaison 70 ans après des même tuyaux
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Dernier point, le 117a de Br 42 sert de PC au II./898 Abschn West)
le PC du Abschn Ost étant au Wn 27 (photo ci-dessous des deux bunkers)
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Alors les deux 117a restant (Wn 120 et Wn 78) servaient de PC à qui ????

Le 117a du Wn 78 a du servir au I./260 (113 I.D.)
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au I./466 (257 I.D.)

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et au I./683 (335 I.D.)

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voir un temps au I./Festa XXV

Le 117a du Wn 120 a du servir un temps au H.A.A.1162 je pense avant de rejoindre l'école navale et le Regelbau 613.

Pour finir ce document qui donne un R.120 et un 656 infirmerie :
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Or on sait que le 120 est en secteur Av (voir début du post) et que l'infirmerie proche est un 118.
Alors Erreur ou plutôt que le PC West était relié par ligne directe au R.120 de Av 43

A+.
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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by jopaerya » 03 Feb 2015, 08:04

Merci Alain

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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by wimve » 03 Feb 2015, 09:18

Nice pictures, merci !
Thanks,

Wim
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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by moonraker » 03 Feb 2015, 15:30

hello mister AC

good picture. but your liste is not good for the reglebau 627.

regelbau 627 place Cr25 is not St bunker but 627 feldmassig

627 St
Mo Stp 46 ile bois 627
Mo Stp 81 carentec 627
Mo Stp 94 roscoff 627

627 felmassig
AV 37- Stp halbinel st marguerite 627 feld
AV 211-Wn kermabon 627 feld
Cr 25-627 feld Wn pointe menhir
Cr 45-627 feld Stp espagnol

Morin.e belfra

PS: you will notice that I did you no lesson your error,because you made each time for members belfra.

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Re: 'Basement' of 117

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Post by kstdk » 03 Feb 2015, 17:31

Hello

@AC - nice "article" and very nice pictures and maps :thumbsup:

Very interesting.

Regards
Kurt
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