Eisenbahn Batteries at Pas de Calais

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Eisenbahn Batteries at Pas de Calais

Post by kstdk » 24 Sep 2007 20:38

Hello all

Out of interest i will bring this listing of Eisenbahn Batteries at the Channel Coast at Pas de Calais.

If anyone have any additions or informations regarding theese batteries - that also be pictures or other info - please do not hesitate to bring them here.

Eisenbahn Batterien am Kanalküste:

Batterie E.696 Dunkerque – Saint Pol: 2 x 28 cm. Kz.Br.K. / 2 x 10 cm. Le.FH30 (t)

E.Rgt. zbv. Stocker: HQ Leulingues

Batterie E.698 Coquelles: 2 x 38 cm. Siegfried Kanone
(Mooved to Marignane 1942)

Batterie E.710 Calais/Nieulay, Dombunker
Stp. 151 Feige / Stp. 153 Ginster: 2 x 28 cm. K5 / 2 x 10 cm. Le.FH30 (t)

Batterie E.1/725 Coquellees, Dombunker
Stp. 114 Bremen: 2 x 28 cm. Br.n.K / 2 x 10 cm le.FH30 (t) /
4 x 15,5 cm. SFH414 (f)

Batterie E.2/725 Calais, Frethun,
Stp. 113 “Uhu”: 2 x 28 cm. K5

Batterie E.765 Colincthun,
Stp. 216 Schwartztal: 2 x 28 cm. K5 / 2 x 10 cm. Le.FH30 (t) /
4 x 15,5 cm. SFH414 (f)

Batterie E.702.abt.: HQ Wissant / Typhonium Stp. 121 Malervilla

Batterie E.688 Calais / Coquelles,
Stp. Bremen: 2 x 28 cm. K5 / 2 x 10 cm. Le.FH30 (t)

Batterie E.713 Bernes / Pointe aux Oies, Dombunker
Stp. 230: 2 x 28 cm. K5 / 2 x 10 cm. Le.FH30 (t)

Batterie E.701 Hydrequent, Dombunker
Stp. 207 Bismark: 2 x 21 cm. K12 / 6 x 7,5 cm. Flak 33 (f)

Batterie E.712 Hydrequent,
Stp. 207 Bismark: 2 x 28 cm. K5

Batterie E.655 Montreuil: 4 x 15 cm. SKL/45 / 2 x 10 cm. Le.FH14/19 (t)

German Guns:

21 cm. Kanone 12 (Eisenbahn):

German Designation: 21 cm. K12 (E)
Calibre: 210 cm.
Length of piece: 33300 mm. L/158
Length of rifling: 27724 mm.
Travel weight: 317000 kg.
Action weight: 309000 kg.
Traverse: 360o
Elevation: 0o - +55o
Muzzle velocity: 1625 mtr. / Sec.
Rate of fire: 1 shot / 5 min.
Max. Range: 115000 mtr.
Barrel life: 90 shots
Company: Krupp AG, Essen
Numbers produced: 2 pcs.


28 cm. Kanone 5 (Eisenbahn):

German designation: 28 cm. K 5 (E)
Calibre: 283 cm.
Length of piece: 21538 mm. L/76
Length of rifling: 17374 mm.
Travel weight: 210000 kg.
Action weight: 218000 kg.
Traverse: 360o
Elevation: 0o - +50o
Muzzle velocity: 1120 mtr. / Sec.
Rate of fire: 1 shot / 5 min.
Max. Range: 62400 mtr.
Shell weight: 255 kg.
Company: Krupp AG, Essen / Hanomag, Hannover

28 cm. Bruno neue Kanone (Eisenbahn):

German designation: 28 cm. Br.NK (E)
Calibre: 283 cm.
Length of piece: 16400 mm. L/58
Length of rifling: 12401 mm.
Action weight: 150000 kg.
Gun weight: 55260 kg.
Traverse: 360o
Elevation: 0o - +50o
Muzzle velocity: 995 mtr. / Sec.
Rate of fire: 1 shot / 3 min.
Max. Range: 46600 mtr.
Shell weight: 255 kg.
Barrel life: 500 shots
Company: Krupp AG, Essen

Source: Alain Chazette: “La Batterie Lindemann” page 69 – 70 - 71

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Post by kstdk » 28 Sep 2007 18:52

Hello all

No one into "Eisenbahn Artillerie" ?

Production list:

20,3 cm - 4 pcs. - 1941
20,3 cm. - 4 pcs. -1942
21 cm. K12 - 1 pcs. - 1940
28 cm. s.Bruno - 2 pcs. - 1938
28 cm. Br. Neue - 3 pcs. - 1941
28 cm. K5 - 2 pcs. - 1939
28 cm. K5 - 3 pcs. - 1940
28 cm. K5 - 2 pcs. - 1941
28 cm. K5 - 8 pcs. - 1942
28 cm. K5 - 2 pcs. - 1943
38 cm. Siegfried - 2 pcs. - 1942
38 cm. Siegfried - 1 pcs. - 1943
80 cm. Dora - 1 pcs. - 1941
80 cm. Dora - 1 pcs. - 1942
80 cm. Gustav - 2 pcs. - 1943
80 cm. Gustav - 2 pcs. - 1944

Dont know if the list are complete, but think so?

Source: Alain Chazette - Les Batteries Cotieres en France, Vol. II

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Re: Eisenbahn Batteries at Pas de Calais

Post by RichTO90 » 28 Sep 2007 20:47

kstdk wrote:Hello all

Out of interest i will bring this listing of Eisenbahn Batteries at the Channel Coast at Pas de Calais.


As best I can make out - and all corrections accepted - the E-Artillerie as of about 1 June 1944 was:

Eisenbahn-Artillerie reported as present with Ob.West 1940-1944
Stab E-Art.Abt. 640 – Marseilles (19.-Armee)
Stab E-Art.Abt. 676 – Blankenberghe (15.-Armee)
Stab E-Art.Abt. 702 – ? (15.-Armee?)
Stab E-Art.Abt. 725 – (7.-Armee?)
Stab E-Art.Abt. 780 – Hendaye (1.-Armee)

German Guns:
E.-Bttr. 6/100 – Abbeville (three ?)
E.-Bttr. 655 – Etaples (four 15cm K (E) L40?)
E.-Bttr. 664 – Hendaye (two 24 cm K (E) Theodor Bruno)
E.-Bttr. 674 – Hendaye (three 24cm K (E) Theodor)
E.-Bttr. 688 – ? (two 28cm K5 (E)?)
E.-Bttr. 690 – Bredene (four 28cm K (E) Kurze Bruno)
E.-Bttr. 696 – Dunkirk (two 28cm K (E)?)
E.-Bttr. 698 – Marseilles (three ?)
E.-Bttr. 701 – ? (two 21cm K (E) V12)
E.-Bttr. 710 – Calais (two 28cm K5 (E)?)
E.-Bttr. 712 – Wimereux (Pointe aux Oies) (one 28cm K5 (E), the second was at Anzio)
E.-Bttr. 717 – Blankenberghe (three 17cm SK (E) L40?)
E.-Bttr. 718 – Hayst (three 17cm SK (E) L40?)
E.-Bttr. 721 – Le Verdon (two 28cm kurz Bruno)
E.-Bttr. 722 – 15. Armee, then later Caen (four 24cm)
E.-Bttr. 1./725 – Vire (two 28cm K (E) neu Bruno, 2./725 was in Italy)
E.-Bttr. 749 – Pertuis (two 31cm K5 (E) Glatt?)
E.-Bttr. 765 – Calais-Coquelles (two 28cm K5 (E), in Italy?)
Marine-Art.-Bttr Gneisenau (E.Bttr. 4/MAA 610) – Sete (19.-Armee (four 15cm SK (E))
2.(E.)/H.K.A.-Regt. 1262 – Auderville-Laye (two 20cm SK C/34 (E))
Total = 46

Other possibilities include:
E.-Bttr. 713 – Wimille (Hydrequent) (two 28cm K5 (E)) (not in the Ob.West list)
E.-Bttr. 687 – Lissweghe (two 20cm SK(E)) (not in the Ob.West list)
E.-Bttr. 532 – Paimpol with (four 20cm SK(E)) (not in the Ob.West list)
Total = 8

Foreign Guns:
E.-Bttr. 692 – Marseilles (three 27.4cm K (E) 592 (f)?)
4.(E)/MAA 262 – Kerbonn (four 16.4cm K (E) M93/96 (f))
4.(E)/le-MAA 682 – Cap Cépet (three 34cm K (E) M 12 (f))
5.(E)/MAA 280 – Prefailles (two 24cm K (E) M93/96 (f))
Plouharnel Bttr./MAA 264 – Lorient (three 34cm K (E) 675 (f))
1.(E)/MAA 608 – Isle de Cézembre (six 19.4cm K (E) 486 (f))
Total (24-42cm) = 11

Ob.-West identified railroad guns on 1 March 1944 as:

39 German guns in Heeres-Küsten-Artillerie
8 German guns in Marine-Küsten-Artillerie
3 foreign 24-42cm guns

Not including 1./725 (arriving in June), the above included 52 German guns (15cm-31cm) and 11 foreign guns (24-42cm). There may be a number of possible reasons for the discrepancy in the number of German guns. For one, it appears that E.-Bttr. 532, 687, 713, and 765 may not have been in Ob.West at all between 1 March and 1 September 1944. In addition, planning documents of the 14.-Armee at Italy include the following as arrived or en route as of 31 January 1944:

One Zug of E.-Bttr. 712 with one K5 (E).
One Zug of E.-Bttr. 2./725 with one 28cm (E). Resolves that one – partially.
E.-Bttr. Erhardt with two 24cm K (E) 557 (f).

These apparently were all drawn from Ob.West. I strongly suspect that the other Züge of 712 and 725 remained in France and simply got lost in the shuffle by the time of the 1 September report. Excluding the eight guns of E.-Bttr. 532, 687 and 713 entirely and deducting the two of 712 and 2./725 reduces the number of German guns to 42 versus the 48 given by Ob.West on 1 March. That is a closer match, but unfortunately still does not include any possible armament of 6./100 and 698, although it implies that each could have had three pieces.

However, this leaves the number of foreign guns at 11. But I suspect that the eight guns of 4.(E)/le-MAA 682, 5.(E)/MAA 280 and the Plouharnel Bttr./MAA 264 may not have been included in the 1 March report either, since they were all being more or less permanently emplaced in the Atlantik Wall. That would leave the three pieces of E.-Bttr.692 as the only foreign guns in the 1 March listing, which is a perfect match.

If this is all correct, then it is possible that this list correctly accounts for all except six unidentified pieces from E.-Bttr. 6./100 and 698.


Hope that helps.

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Post by kstdk » 28 Sep 2007 21:14

Hello RichT090

Yes indeed - that helps. It fills some gaps as a whole.

When we are taking the whole lot beyond Calais area we might get a full list of Eisenbahn Batteries out of it :D

Will try to puzzle the informations that i have untill now - thanks again.

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Post by kstdk » 29 Sep 2007 16:17

Hello again

Summing up on this:

E689 / E610 / E701 - does any have the locations of these?

E689 - what guns were deployed there?

Anyone knows more of what Stp. they were located in - that goes for all the units - they must have been located within a Stp. or Wn?

Anyone have a map or plan for which railroads they used - local existing railroads for most - but were there buildt railroads specially buildt?

For JOS: How does it progres with your tracking of the gunnumbers??

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Post by NagaSadow » 29 Sep 2007 16:37

AFAIK E698 used 38cm Siegfried Kanone (E), but I'm not sure.

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Post by kstdk » 29 Sep 2007 17:46

Hello

That is correct...but the one in question above was E.689 not E.698 :D

Easy to oversee!!

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Post by NagaSadow » 29 Sep 2007 18:37

Ups, my bad. :D

E689 = 2x 28cm Schwere Bruno Kanone (E) AFAIK

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Post by jopaerya » 29 Sep 2007 19:50

Hello All

Here a few remarks on this great Topic

14-03-1944 guns in H.Gr.B

15 cm (E) 4 x
17 cm (E) 6 x
20.3 cm K (E) 8 x
24 cm Theodor K. 4 x
28 cm Kurze Bruno K (E) 4 x
28 cm Bruno neue K (E) 2 x
28 cm K 5 8 x

The list from Rich TO90
Kerbonne 4 x 16.4 cm K (E) M93/96 (f) never found
M.K.B. Adour-Nord 4 x 16.4 cm K (E) M93/96 (f)
M.K.B. Batz sur Mer 2 x 24 cm K (E)
M.K.B. Cap Cepet are no railwayguns but navalgunturrets

The 20.3 cm K.(E) batterie's were first listed as E batterie's
till 1943 in 1944 the 3 batterie's were renumbered in H.K.B.

For the 6/100 please see viewtopic.php?t=109552&highlight=abbeville

Regards Jos

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Post by RichTO90 » 30 Sep 2007 16:42

jopaerya wrote:The list from Rich TO90
Kerbonne 4 x 16.4 cm K (E) M93/96 (f) never found
M.K.B. Adour-Nord 4 x 16.4 cm K (E) M93/96 (f)
M.K.B. Batz sur Mer 2 x 24 cm K (E)
M.K.B. Cap Cepet are no railwayguns but navalgunturrets

The 20.3 cm K.(E) batterie's were first listed as E batterie's
till 1943 in 1944 the 3 batterie's were renumbered in H.K.B.

Regards Jos


Hi Jos,

MKB Adour-Nord and Batz sur Mer were part of which Abteilungen?

Ooops, nearly forgot to ask, the three 20.3 cm K (E) batteries were:

2.(E.)/H.K.A.-Regt. 1262 – Auderville-Laye (two 20.3cm SK C/34 (E))
E.-Bttr. 687 – Lissweghe (two 20.3cm SK C/34 (E)) (not in the Ob.West list)
E.-Bttr. 532 – Paimpol with (four 20.3cm SK C/34 (E)) (not in the Ob.West list)

Correct? Do you know what the redesignation of the last two was?

Thanks!

Rich

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Post by jopaerya » 30 Sep 2007 19:35

Hello Rich

M.K.B. Adour-Nord 1./286 the 16.4 cm railwayguns were changed in 1943
for 4 x 15 cm Tbts.K. C/36
M.K.B. Batz 4./280 2 x 24 cm K (E) 558 (f)

In Norway there were also 4 x 24 cm K (E) 558 (f) M.K.B. Ofoten 4./511
and later as M.K.B. Naerbo 6./503

H.K.B. Lisseweghe - 2 x 20,3 cm S.K.C/34 (E) - 687 E renamed in 4/1240
H.K.B. Auderville - 2 x 20,3 cm S.K.C/34 (E) - 685 E renamed in 3/1262
H.K.B. Paimpol - 4 x 20,3 S.K.C/34 (E) - 532 E renamed in 1272

For Kurt E 689 in Norway with 28 cm schwere Bruno .

Regards Jos

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Post by RichTO90 » 30 Sep 2007 20:16

jopaerya wrote:H.K.B. Paimpol - 4 x 20,3 S.K.C/34 (E) - 532 E renamed in 1272
Regards Jos


Thanks Jos, but H.K.A.-Regt. 1272? I was unaware of it, do you have more information?

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Post by jopaerya » 30 Sep 2007 21:01

Hi Again

First there was the Heeres-Küstenartillerie-Regiment-Stab 1266 with
the 1./1266 and 2./1266 they were renamed in 1944 as 1271 and 1272
The 1272 was the 4 x 20.3 cm S.K.C/34 (E) and the 1271 was
3 x 12.2 cm K. 390/2 (r) .

Two strange thinks , first the 1271 and 1272 had only one battery and
there was something strange about the 1271 ,the Kriegsmarine and the
Heer were argueing about the place were this battery must be placed
The compromise was to spit the battery in a Kriegsmarine battery
4./608 at the coast with 3 x 12.2 cm K. 390/2 (r) and the 1271 inland
with 3 x 12.2 cm K. 390/2 (r) .

Regards Jos

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