schwere Drehbettung ( Rheinmetal-Borsig )

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Re: schwere Drehbettung ( Rheinmetal-Borsig )

Post by forttravel » 26 Nov 2017 20:28

So as I asked here: posting.php?mode=quote&f=70&p=2106226
forttravel wrote:How about rotation of this gun placed as usual on eastern front in earth digged emplacement without concrete base? Old local guys from my area where was one of 15,5 cm gun batteries said that gun was put on big metal frame with rotation function. This is for sure a description of schwere Drehbettung. But it was similar device as for concrete emplacement or different bottom frame with some teeth to fix it to ground?
It is a typical solution to fix bottom part of rotation device direct to soil by 12 pieces of pegs what belongs to set.
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Than we have more mixed options.
1. A upper part of Drehbettung placed on on concrete base with Pivoitzapfen a fixed rotation axis.
b3.jpg
2. More simplify option only with Pivotzapfen and a rotation beam only. Detailed drawing Jos posted here: download/file.php?id=410440&mode=view
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3. Intermediate version with "Pivotzapfen" and small wheels.
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All options could be joined with Schwenkwerk device: viewtopic.php?f=70&t=126843&p=2074539&h ... k#p2074539
All these options are quite clear, but we have in HKB 18./979 next one new option: kind of frame what joined functions of Pivotzapfen, upper part of Drehbettung, Zustangen and Schwenkwerk. Is it a typical device?
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Re: schwere Drehbettung ( Rheinmetal-Borsig )

Post by Janef » 27 Nov 2017 14:44

Tha last picture is a one-off construction done in Norway only. The prototype was made at Langesund Mechanical Workshop in mid-1941 in close cooperation with the Artillery Staff at AOK Norwegen. The system was tested with live firing from an emplacement north of the later Army Coast Battery, and after some slight modifications one battery set was produced and put up at Landehovden in Mandal west of Kristiansand. Due to lack of material in Norway the project was never carried on. Other 15,5 cm batteries of the first series (Spring 1941) were mainly put on concrete pedestals with their wheels and secured by a pivot bolt and stays. Later (1942-43) the drehbettung system for the heavier guns (carrying the wheels) came. So one has to look at the timeline because everything was not available at the same time.
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Re: schwere Drehbettung ( Rheinmetal-Borsig )

Post by Sturm78 » 11 Dec 2017 22:33

Hi all,

An image from Ebay: 15cm K16. Were these platforms used only in coastal positions or also in field positions ?

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Re: schwere Drehbettung ( Rheinmetal-Borsig )

Post by na4222 » 12 Dec 2017 09:25

I think in field positions as well on the eastern front it would seem, but perhaps it only looks that way because the sea is so far away!
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Re: schwere Drehbettung ( Rheinmetal-Borsig )

Post by jopaerya » 18 Nov 2021 08:57

Nice drawing of a schwere Drehbettung with a German gun, Regards Jos
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Re: schwere Drehbettung ( Rheinmetal-Borsig )

Post by bunkermaniak » 30 Mar 2022 14:10

Hello :D
schwere Drehbettung for 10,5cm K331(f)
from an allied archiv

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Re: schwere Drehbettung ( Rheinmetal-Borsig )

Post by Jens Andersen » 04 Apr 2022 13:41

Thank you.
Which archive, and archive signature?

Jens

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Re: schwere Drehbettung ( Rheinmetal-Borsig )

Post by Sturm78 » 25 May 2022 21:33

Hi all,

Two images from Ebay (with 10cm K18) :

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Re: schwere Drehbettung ( Rheinmetal-Borsig )

Post by Melax » 21 Aug 2022 10:49

Hi,

does anybody know which Drehbettung would have been used for the "schwere 10,5cm K 35 (t") ?

thanks,
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Re: schwere Drehbettung ( Rheinmetal-Borsig )

Post by na4222 » 21 Aug 2022 12:46

From what I’ve seen normally a Schwere drehbettung but sometimes a pivot attaching the front of the gun carriage to a circulate concrete mount.

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Nezar

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