9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 30 Nov 2007 21:31

Hello All

According to the photocaption a gun in Holland ,
looks to me a 9.4 cm M 39 (e) with a nice bunker.

Photo's = Ebay.de

Regards Jos

Manuferey · Post by **Manuferey** » 01 Dec 2007 00:32

Jos,

Another one of the same series.

On the third picture, the two characters look more like civilians than soldiers. Maybe a postwar picture of scrap dealers ?

Emmanuel

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 01 Dec 2007 10:31

Hello Emmanuel

This could be a option , still the Schartenbunker looks very new .

Regards Jos

Manuferey · Post by **Manuferey** » 01 Dec 2007 18:57

Hi Jos,

I found again another photo of the series, this time with the gun in an open emplacement.

If the people we see in all the pictures (scrap dealers? German soldiers or POW ?) hauled the gun to the beach and not through the back country, it's probably the way the gun was brought in in the first place. It means that there was no practical road behind the dunes. Any idea where it could be in Holland ?

Emmanuel

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 01 Dec 2007 19:40

Hello Emmanuel

If the photocaption is right ( Holland ), it could be

M.K.B. Zuidzand 4 x 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e)
M.K.B. Rockanje 4 x 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e)
M.K.B. Westerschouwen 4 x 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e)
M.K.B. Oostkappelle 4 x 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e)

M.K.B. Westkappele was on a dyke
M.K.B. Cadzand was rearmed from 9.4 to 15 cm

Maybe our Dutch members have some more information ??

Regards Jos

Manuferey · Post by **Manuferey** » 02 Dec 2007 13:04

Hi Jos,

As you know 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) armed many MKBs in The Netherlands and France. Knowing that the British emplaced the Vikers guns for AA defenses in the French harbors used by the BEF along the Channel, it makes sense that the guns were taken over by the Kriegsmarine along with the harbors.

Do you know any HKB that used the 9.4 cm Flak M39(e) as well ?

Emmanuel

David Lehmann · Post by **David Lehmann** » 02 Dec 2007 13:42

Hello,

About the potential source of these booty guns, the French Army itself also operated 20 of these. They probably ended in Geman hands too. I would have to find out where they were initially based.

Regards,

David

Erik E · Post by **Erik E** » 02 Dec 2007 14:49

Do you know any HKB that used the 9.4 cm Flak M39(e) as well ?

Atleast on e in Norway, HKAA IV/973 Zug Svolvaer with 2 x 9,4cm Flak(e)

EE

der bunkermann · Post by **der bunkermann** » 02 Dec 2007 15:52

hi all, i dont know if it's the same , but according to the kriegsgliederung 3.3.1944
mkb FALGA was also armed with 4 X 9,4 vickers armstrong (flak).

i dont think it could be zuidzand, i've seen some pictures of the 671, and the scharten don't look the same

the hight of the dunes and the shape of the 671 looks like FALGA, and on the last picture one can see an open emplacement like there were 2 in batterie falga...

but than again it could be anywere!
gr, tim

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 02 Dec 2007 17:41

Hello David

That is intresting that the French Army operated 20 x 9.4 cm Flak M 39
I and Sebastien Haule found photo's of 9.4 cm in 1940 in Le Havre , these
could be operated by the French Army ??? Do you have any information
were the 20 guns were deployed ???

Regards Jos

ducatim901 · Post by **ducatim901** » 02 Dec 2007 20:49

Hi I think it is Falga to, or at least it is Den Helder, At Den Helder the Schartes look quite high and the nische for the guntube is high to.
Greetings Jack.

David Lehmann · Post by **David Lehmann** » 09 Dec 2007 18:23

jopaerya wrote:Hello David

That is intresting that the French Army operated 20 x 9.4 cm Flak M 39
I and Sebastien Haule found photo's of 9.4 cm in 1940 in Le Havre , these
could be operated by the French Army ??? Do you have any information
were the 20 guns were deployed ???

Regards Jos

Hello,

I have not many additional details but I confirm the French use of these guns, according to the very good books of Stéphane Ferrard.

In 1939 the French had no modern AA gun able to reach targets flying at altitudes of 8,000 meters or higher. In Septmeber 1939, the French Navy especially issued 90mm (90mm Mle1926/1930 and Mle1928/1931) and 100mm batteries for the protection of strategic points, mainly in the Paris area.

In the French-British exchange, the French gave 220 25mm AT guns to the British and the French recveived about 20 94mm AA guns and a few dozens of Boys AT rifles.

That helped to wait for the canon CA 90mm Mle1939 (Schneider).

The 94mm AA guns formed 5 AA batteries but their exact history is unknown. They were probably deployed around Paris. The French could not obtain more of these guns and tried also to have the Vickers factories producing the 90mm Mle1939 Schneider AA gun to speed up the number of operational guns ... also without success.

Regards,

David

jopaerya · Post by **jopaerya** » 09 Dec 2007 21:28

Thanks David

As allways great information , here some more information about the 90 mm Mle1926/1930 and Mle1928/1931 and one photo is from a 90 mm at Paris . http://sudwall.superforum.fr/l-artiller ... -t1140.htm

Regards Jos

David Lehmann · Post by **David Lehmann** » 09 Dec 2007 21:35

Hi,

Many thanks for these great photos in the Internet link !

David

stril · Post by **stril** » 16 Dec 2007 20:31

Hello
Not related, but a 9,4 cm Vickers.Picture from Norway.
regards
stril