Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

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Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by M19 MADMAL » 26 Feb 2008 22:42

Hi all,

Are the 4.7cm Pak k 36 (t) Vf bunkers that are a single room with a empty shell case pit in front a standard Type :?

They are only found in Alderney and not Jersey or Guernsey yet I have seen photos of the same bunkers in France :o
Think it was at a port (Dunkurk?) and the left-hand corner had taken a hit and also 1 on the Normandy landing Beaches.

Photos are from Bunkersite and shows the example at Braye and Saline Bay's

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Re: Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by Erik E » 27 Feb 2008 00:01

yet I have seen photos of the same bunkers in France
Similar bunkers can also be found in Norway, but can`t tell if they are "the same" unless we got some measures to compare with. Some seems to be the same, but are built with the backside looking like a staircase, and only have roof over 1/2 of the bunker 8O (Example below)

One detail missing in ALL 4,7 cm (t) is the observation slit to the left of the gun (outside view)
Actually I haven`t seen that in a single one of the 40+ Festungspak bunkers I`ve been in all over Norway.
Is that common in other countries?

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Re: Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by jbb20p7 » 27 Feb 2008 09:09

Hello

You can see on of this type on "Baie de sallenelle" at Merville Franceville, and "Ile de Cézon" on north of Brest

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Re: Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by M19 MADMAL » 29 Feb 2008 17:06

Hi Erik E,

This photo (again from Bunkersite) Shows the smallest of the Vf Pak bunkers in Alderney and it looks almost identical to yours in Norway 8O
It even has the same 'stepped' retaining wall at the back :o

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Re: Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by Trevor Davenport » 06 Mar 2008 18:33

ALDERNEY : There are six existing vf 4.7cm PakK 36(t) bunkers on Alderney - seven if you include one which was later converted to a MG bunker after the aperture was removed.

Four are of a similar type to the 'SK Normandie' type which have observation slits ('Saline Bay' photograph) while two, including the one at Corblets Bay in your photograph, have steps at the rear and no observation slit.

The Corblet's bunker (The one with the life-buoy hanging up)is very similar to the ones in the photographs from Norway.

Another at Longis Bay, has steps, no observation slit and an open top at the rear through which the gun was presumably lowered into the bunker. It is however, completely enclosed and has a small side entrance door.

Before reading your enquiry I had wrongly assumed the two Alderney bunkers were unique, but perhaps just in the Channel Islands.If you are interrsted please contact me at tdavenport@kryso.com

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Re: Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by Barovic » 06 Mar 2008 20:36

Nice inventory on Alderney, Trevor, thanks.

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Re: Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by M19 MADMAL » 06 Mar 2008 22:50

Hi Trevor,

I posted this enquiry as Paul Bourgaize asked me on your behalf 8O :lol:

Good to have you here :D

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Re: Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by Trevor Davenport » 07 Mar 2008 09:31

Hi Mal,

Thanks for your help,

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Re: Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by Trevor Davenport » 07 Mar 2008 10:16

Hi all,

Here is a plan of the Longis Bay 4.7cm PakK bunker in Alderney. Anyone seen anything like this before?
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Re: Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by Trevor Davenport » 07 Mar 2008 10:23

Hi all,
Here is a picture of the back of the Longis Bay Bunker in Alderney,
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Re: Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by AvB » 07 Mar 2008 11:21

Hi Trevor!
Looks like it have been closed afterwards (post-war).

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Re: Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by Trevor Davenport » 07 Mar 2008 12:44

Hi AvB,

Only a wooden cover was put on the open roof on the back in the last couple of years. Presumably it originally had an armoured cover which was removed for scrap metal in the late 1940s,

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Re: Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by Trevor Davenport » 07 Mar 2008 12:46

I should add that all the concrete is original - no post-war additions,
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Re: Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by RuPo » 07 Mar 2008 19:36

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Re: Vf 4.7cm Pak K 36(t) bunker

Post by Barovic » 07 Mar 2008 20:05

Hi,

shell pit at Longis Bay looks a lot bigger than the ones in front of the main land versions.

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