105mm Bofors M. 27 or M. 31 gun at Tojhuismuseem in Denmark?

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Re: 105mm Bofors M. 27 or M. 31 gun at Tojhuismuseem in Denmark?

Post by jopaerya » 10 Nov 2009 19:11

Hello

Markus is right it's a Swiss one

10,5 cm Kanone 1935 (10,5 cm Kan 35 L 42)
Der dringende Ausbaubedarf unserer Feldartillerie
im Vorfeld des 2. Weltkrieges führte
zu der im Jahre 1934 beschlossenen Einführung
der schwedischen 10,5 cm Kanone
von Bofors. Die ersten im Jahr 1935 von
Bofors gelieferten Geschütze wiesen noch
Metallscheibenräder mit Gummibandagen
und eine schwedische Loch-Mündungsbremse
auf. Die anschliessend von der K+W
Thun in Lizenz gefertigten Geschütze erhielten
eine wesentlich verbesserte Zweikammer-
Mündungsbremse und später auch
schusssichere Luftkammer-Reifen.

http://www.musee-armee.ch/uploads/media ... -06_05.pdf

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Re: 105mm Bofors M. 27 or M. 31 gun at Tojhuismuseem in Denmark?

Post by peeved » 11 Nov 2009 00:01

Sturm78 wrote:52 available in 1940, the Germans captured the majority of the 10-veld guns intact after the capitulation, and used later as 10.5cm FK334(h) or 10.5cm FK335(h). I do not understand why the germas gave them two different names. :?


Based on the first message on this thread from a Scandinavian discussion group at http://forum.skalman.nu/viewtopic.php?f ... 6&p=458994 the guns the Swedish Bofors and Dutch Hembrug had manufactured were given different German Kennnummern.

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Re: 105mm Bofors M. 27 or M. 31 gun at Tojhuismuseem in Denmark?

Post by Sturm78 » 11 Nov 2009 13:26

Thank you very much for your information, Joapaerya and Markus.
According to Markus, the 10.5cm FK335(h) and FK334(h) are the same gun (only different manufacturer), so I suppose that your data about 10.5cm FK334(h) must be wrong, Jopaerya.
I did not know that these guns have been manufactured under license in Holland

I also suppose that the gun of your photo will be one of those manufactured by Bofors (by muzzle brake). Apparently the guns manufactured under license by K + W Thun in Switzerland had a different muzzle brake.

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Re: 105mm Bofors M. 27 or M. 31 gun at Tojhuismuseem in Denmark?

Post by peeved » 11 Nov 2009 15:09

Although it's another online source this listing of Fremdgeräte does support the viewpoints expressed in the Scandinavian forum: http://www.dws-xip.pl/encyklopedia/niem ... leria.html

According to the Polish list the 10,5 cm K 334 (h) was the Bofors Gun and 10,5 cm K 335 (h) the Inrichtigen Hemburg one.

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Re: 105mm Bofors M. 27 or M. 31 gun at Tojhuismuseem in Denmark?

Post by jopaerya » 11 Nov 2009 20:20

Hello

Here the data from a orginal document , to me it looks very strange that a lincence build gun shoot 6.4 k.m. less .
A other option could be that the 10.5 cm K. 334 (h) was a Krupp build 10.5 cm L/30 a few guns were used as trailgun ??
I hope that Nuyt can help us more on this gun .

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Re: 105mm Bofors M. 27 or M. 31 gun at Tojhuismuseem in Denmark?

Post by nuyt » 11 Nov 2009 22:27

I think you are right Jos, the ranges match to both the Krupp 10,5cm L/30 and the Bofors/AI 10,5 cm field guns.

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Re: 105mm Bofors M. 27 or M. 31 gun at Tojhuismuseem in Denmark?

Post by The Edge » 18 Nov 2009 11:46

I agree with Jopaerya & Nuyt – 334 & 335 are different guns.
334 is labelled “K” and 335 “sK” indicating that the later was much bigger weapon.
334 was probably Krupp 105mm L/30 (as suggested by Jop) – according to http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.php? ... un-10-veld , two such guns (called “test guns” because no larger order followed - probably due to the start of WWI) were in Dutch inventory 1940. Do someone have info (or photo) of this mysterious "10 lang 30"? Also, Germans gave them description “K 10” (see photo below) – so, do the figure “10” means “10-veld” (common Dutch name) or “1910” (date of probable Dutch purchase/service entry, since Bofors gun was labelled "27" for 1927)?

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Post by jopaerya » 18 Nov 2009 12:11

Thank you very much Edge

I think that a other myth is busted , here a photo of the 10.5 cm L/30 ( Krupp)

Photo = Nederlands Geschut sinds 1677

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Re: 105mm Bofors M. 27 or M. 31 gun at Tojhuismuseem in Denmark?

Post by peeved » 18 Nov 2009 14:51

The Kennblätter Fremden Geräts cinches it . Guess you can't believe everything you see on the internet :o 8O

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Re: 105mm Bofors M. 27 or M. 31 gun at Tojhuismuseem in Denmark?

Post by The Edge » 18 Nov 2009 16:11

Thanks for the photo, Jos! :D :D :D
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Re: 105mm Bofors M. 27 or M. 31 gun at Tojhuismuseem in Denmark?

Post by David Reasoner » 18 Nov 2009 22:49

The 41AFDVA website has the above photo plus another labeled as the Krupp 10.5cm L30:

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"Kanon 10,5 cm L30 met munitiewagen"

http://www.41afdva.net/19/G%2010L30.jpg

http://www.41afdva.net/index.htm

The same site lists both 10.5cm L30 guns as having formed a separate half-battery within the 17th Artillery Regiment in May 1940.

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Re: 105mm Bofors M. 27 or M. 31 gun at Tojhuismuseem in Denmark?

Post by The Edge » 19 Nov 2009 13:29

Nice new photo :D , but...

Anybody knews the year of purchase? :roll: (1910 ?)

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Re: 105mm Bofors M. 27 or M. 31 gun at Tojhuismuseem in Denmark?

Post by David Reasoner » 21 Nov 2009 19:26

The 41AFDVA website says they entered Dutch service in 1912. I don't know when the order was actually placed.

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Re: 105mm Bofors M. 27 or M. 31 gun at Tojhuismuseem in Denmark?

Post by The Edge » 23 Nov 2009 11:44

David Reasoner wrote:The 41AFDVA website says they entered Dutch service in 1912. I don't know when the order was actually placed.
David

Nice info - thanks! :D

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