21cm K.38 Allocated to which units?
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21cm K.38 Allocated to which units?
Can anyone confirm or deny that the few 21cm K.38 guns that were produced were issued to s.Art.Abt.768? If not does anyone know which unit or units used them. I've seen it suggested that Art.Abt.767 and 768 had them but this seems far from certain and from what i can tell 767 couldn't have had them.
Re: 21cm K.38, which units?
Hello Simon
I think the Art.Abt.767 and 768 with the 21 cm guns comes from the books of Tessin and then 1 + 1 = 2
but these could also be the 21 cm K. 39 ,39/40 and 39/41 , there was also a A.A. 816 equipped with 21 cm K .
So sorry no direct awnser .
Regards Jos
I think the Art.Abt.767 and 768 with the 21 cm guns comes from the books of Tessin and then 1 + 1 = 2
but these could also be the 21 cm K. 39 ,39/40 and 39/41 , there was also a A.A. 816 equipped with 21 cm K .
So sorry no direct awnser .
Regards Jos
Re: 21cm K.38, which units?
Sorry, Simon, I don`t know which artillery units used the 21cm K38.
According to Ian V. Hogg (German artillery of WW2) the Germans built anbatch of 8 guns
(initial order of 15), one of them was sent to Japan. (How??. via sub??)
I'm looking for pictures of 21cm K38 in action but can not find any in the web.
it is rare that there are so few photos of a weapon so impressive.
These are two of the few photos I have of the cannon and the only that shows the gun in firing position.
According to Ian V. Hogg (German artillery of WW2) the Germans built anbatch of 8 guns
(initial order of 15), one of them was sent to Japan. (How??. via sub??)
I'm looking for pictures of 21cm K38 in action but can not find any in the web.
it is rare that there are so few photos of a weapon so impressive.
These are two of the few photos I have of the cannon and the only that shows the gun in firing position.
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Re: 21cm K.38, which units?
Even in production numbers there is a difference with the Lexikon quoting 15 produced, 1 to Japan and no more than 10 in service.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waf ... chutze.htm
I believe there are two still in existence, one in the US and one in Germany?
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waf ... chutze.htm
I believe there are two still in existence, one in the US and one in Germany?
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Re: 21cm K.38, which units?
Arko 191 in the Arnhem fighting had some of them but I don't know what the unit designation was. Lexikon der Wehrmacht says that sAA 768 and 777 had them too. Alan
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Re: 21cm K.38, which units?
A bit more digging and Nafziger states Art.Abt.768 had 2 batteries of 2 guns each in Jan '44
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Re: 21cm K.38, which units?
Alan,Alanmccoubrey wrote:Arko 191 in the Arnhem fighting had some of them but I don't know what the unit designation was. Lexikon der Wehrmacht says that sAA 768 and 777 had them too. Alan
Through my research I have not found any evidence to suggest that these guns were in Arnhem. 'Arko 191' never existed in Arnhem and is often used as a mistake instead of Art. Regt 191 which did fight in Arnhem. However this unit did not have these guns as mentioned.
The closest unit to have these guns that fought in Arnhem is one of the coastal batteries brought in to the Battle. One battery (6./Heer Küst Art. Abt. 1230) had 6 x 15,2 cm K.H.433/1 (r). This is the closest I could find which doesn't help the original question. Good luck in your search!
Cheers
Scott
Re: 21cm K.38, which units?
Hi all,
For anyone interested in german heavy artillery; the only picture that I have seen of 21cm K38 in action.
According to the caption, was taken in Russia in the winter 1942-43.
Image from Ebay.de
Have anyone any more picture of this gun?
Regards Sturm78.
For anyone interested in german heavy artillery; the only picture that I have seen of 21cm K38 in action.
According to the caption, was taken in Russia in the winter 1942-43.
Image from Ebay.de
Have anyone any more picture of this gun?
Regards Sturm78.
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Re: 21cm K.38, which units?
Scott, I was going by Lexikon der Wehrmacht's list plus the orbats in various books and sites that I've looked at over the years. Here is a link to the Lexikon's entry for Arko 191.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... rko191.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... rko191.htm
Alan
Re: 21cm K.38, which units?
Hi all,
I just found these pictures on Ebay of this elusive cannon.
I guess they were taken in May-June 1945 after the German surrender.
There are very few wartime photos of the weapon. Any additional wartime photo will be welcome.
Regards Sturm78
I just found these pictures on Ebay of this elusive cannon.
I guess they were taken in May-June 1945 after the German surrender.
There are very few wartime photos of the weapon. Any additional wartime photo will be welcome.
Regards Sturm78
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Thanks Sturm78
For sharing these nice picture's of this gun .
Regards Jos
For sharing these nice picture's of this gun .
Regards Jos
Re: 21cm K.38, which units?
Hi all,
Some more images of this rare gun from Ebay:
See also http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &start=180
Images taken in northern Russia
Does anyone know the purpose of the triangle piece in front of the carriage gun?
Sturm78
Some more images of this rare gun from Ebay:
See also http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &start=180
Images taken in northern Russia
Does anyone know the purpose of the triangle piece in front of the carriage gun?
Sturm78
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Re: 21cm K.38, which units?
Hi all,
Another two images from Ebay:
One of them dated in Feb 1942 near Ladoga Lake
Sturm78
Another two images from Ebay:
One of them dated in Feb 1942 near Ladoga Lake
Sturm78
Re: 21cm K.38, which units?
Hi Sturm78,
Thanks to you, we now have a lot of pictures of 21 cm K38 !
Emmanuel
Thanks to you, we now have a lot of pictures of 21 cm K38 !
Emmanuel