Bunkers with tank turrets!

[forttravel]

Norway. It seems to be Flamingo turret = Bauform 232b Stand für Panzer Kampfwagen Turm II (Flamm.) (Behelfsausf.)
Source: https://digitaltmuseum.no

[jopaerya]

Hello All

I would like to hear your opinion on this Ebay photo.

Regards Jos

[Ondrej Filip]

Hello All

I would like to hear your opinion on this Ebay photo.

Regards Jos

Hi Jos. it looks like the turret (T34/76) laying at the ground. The man at the right side could stay at the commander's seat, but more simple he is staying at the ground.

[jopaerya]

Thanks Ondrej

I thought it was photo-shoped .

Regards Jos

[Lars Bertelsen]

Hello,
Does anybody have information about how the F.Pz.DT 4010 (leichte MG-Drehhaube f. s.MG 34/42) looked like?
At least 19 of those were sent to the Westwall late 1944. According to German list dated 26.03.1945, 20 turrets of the same type were sent to Denmark, but that is probably a typo.
Lars

[AvB]

I do have plans of the F.Pz.DT 4007 but I don't know if they look the same. They could both be placed on a similar Ringstand though so I think they're quite similar.

[Lars Bertelsen]

Thanks AvB

I do have plans of the F.Pz.DT 4007 but I don't know if they look the same. They could both be placed on a similar Ringstand though so I think they're quite similar.

One difference between the two turrets was, that the F.Pz.DT 4007 was designed for a l.MG, and the F.Pz.DT 4010 was designed for a s.MG.
But maybe the two turrets were fitted on the same type of base plate?
Greetings Lars

[AvB]

I don't know how an MG 42 in a fixed position could be leicht or schwer? Do you have an explanation for this?

[kstdk]

Hello Arthur

A MG42 in it self is a LMG, as soon it is fixed in the affutage it becomes a SMG.

I don't know how an MG 42 in a fixed position could be leicht or schwer? Do you have an explanation for this?

Regards
Kurt
kstdk

[AvB]

Yes so when it's fixed in a turret, it's an SMG?

[kstdk]

Hello

Yes

Yes so when it's fixed in a turret, it's an SMG?

Regards
Kurt
kstdk

[der bunkermann]

Correct,
I think that it has to do with the fact when the weapon is placed in a open emplacement on a tripod or in a tobruk they had better cover, and better aiming possibilities, making it a more dangerous weapon and therefore being SMG.
There must be documents about it..

[Lars Bertelsen]

Yes,
l.MG was fitted in a “loose” mount in the turret and aimed with the MG’s grip and butt stock.
s.MG was fixed in the turret and aimed with hand wheels (like e.g. F.Pz.DT 4803).
Lars

[kstdk]

Hello

It is as simple as this:

Picture 1 is a LMG

Picture 2 is a SMG

As soon as the MG is in a fixed position it becomes a SMG.

Fixed as in mounted in the affutage, on a vehicle, in a tank, a tankturret or in a fixed position in a bunker / tobruk etc. etc. giving the MG - as "Bunkermann" says "better aiming possibilities, making it a more dangerous weapon and therefore being SMG."

Regards
Kurt
kstdk

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