21cm Skoda M16/18

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21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by Sturm78 » 13 Oct 2008 18:25

Hi all,

According to my information, this howitzer was manufactured by Skoda after the WW1 for the Czech army,
where they were known as the 21 cm mozdir vz. 18.
After the Occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1939 the Germans adopted them under the names of 21 cm Mörser 18/19(t) or kurze 21 cm Mörser(t) although it cannot be confirmed if the Germans used them for anything other than training.

These are the only two pictures that I have of this rare howitzer.
Has someone another photos of this weapon in Czech or German service?
Does someone knows if the Germans used them in action?

Sorry. I do not remember the source of these photos. from the web
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Re: 21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by Navy » 13 Oct 2008 19:02

@Hi, Sturm78

The 21cm Mörser M16 later 18 was manufactured by Skoda for the k.u.k. Army (Austrian Army). After WW1 the M18 was buildt for the Hungarian Army.
Sorry i have also no pics. But i know that it was used by the germans in WW2 with great success.

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Re: 21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by jopaerya » 13 Oct 2008 19:33

Hi All

I am not 100% sure but I think that this is also a 21 cm Mörser 18/19 (t) and please see this
viewtopic.php?f=70&t=134981&hilit=+skoda

Photo = Ebay.de

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Re: 21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by Sturm78 » 13 Oct 2008 19:57

Hi Navy

Are you sure that the Skoda 21cm Mrs 18 was manufactured for the Hungarian army?
According to my sources, this weapon only was used by Czech army (and then by German army).

Jopaerya, I think that that your photo shows the 21cm Skoda M18t with certainty.
More specifically, the upper carriage and barrel trailer. I thought that this weapon was transported in three separate loads, but your photo makes me suspect that this howitzer was tranported in only two loads perhaps:
- the upper carriage and barrel
- the base plate and the bottom carriage.

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Re: 21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by Erik E » 13 Oct 2008 23:36

Hallo

Atleast 15 of these guns were in use by the Heeresküstenartillerie in Norway until the end of ww2.
First in 5 batteries with 3 guns each, but in May-June 1943 two batteries were re-equipped, and these guns were used to reinforce two exsisting batteries.
By June 1943:
HKB 20/976 Eidsbygda with 3 x 21 cm MRS(t)
HKB 3/974 Reitan with 6 x 21 cm MRS(t)
HKB 21/975 Hemnskjel Süd with 6 x 21 cm MRS(t)

In 2004, the last mentioned battery (Hemnskjel) got a gun from "Forsvarsmuseet" (the Norwegian defencemuseum) for display. Guess this is the last surviving example of this gun in Norway, unforteunately I have no photos taken after it was painted and put together....
As a Bonus, you can find a online fotoalbum from the island Hemnskjela here:
http://d2134644.u48.surftown.nu/copperm ... p?album=41
With LOTS of photos from the guns in service!
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Re: 21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by sturmvogel » 14 Oct 2008 17:38

Great photos and information! I'd always wondered what the Germans did with those guns.

I wrote the article in Wikipedia for this gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21_cm_M%C3%B6rser_M._16/18) and it would be great if some of y'all who are more knowledgeable than me could expand on the entry, or, most especially, license some of your photos for use by Wiki so people can see what these guns looked like. Wiki is really anal about copyright on photos, so much so that they yanked photos posted there that I'd gotten the photographer's permission to use, because their precious form wasn't filled out by the original photographer, so it would be best if y'all did it yourselves. However I'll be happy to walk through the process, which isn't hard, if anyone would like to do so.

And there are lots of other artillery entries that could use expansion and pictures if anyone has the interest and energy to do so!

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Re: 21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by Sturm78 » 14 Oct 2008 18:03

Congratulations!! Erik E. Thanks for photos and information. :D

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Re: 21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by c_hoff82 » 14 Oct 2008 20:27

Here is how the gun looked the last time I was there. Last year,it was still at the harbour beside this other cute looking gun :)

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Re: 21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by Navy » 17 Oct 2008 08:25

Sorry, my mistake. Off course the M18 was produced for the czech army after WW1. The M18 never was never used by the k.u.k.Army. The only used the M16.

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Re: 21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by jopaerya » 12 Jun 2009 17:00

Hello All

Here some more picture's of this gun from Ebay.de

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Re: 21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by Sturm78 » 29 Jun 2009 11:58

Great images Jopaerya!! :D

I think that in your first picture, behind of the barrel trailer, you also can appreciate a trailer with the base. It is a pity that it can not see well.

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Re: 21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by Manuferey » 26 Feb 2011 15:44

Two pictures from ebay.de showing a carriage on a trailer and a barrel of a 21 cm Mrs 18/19(t) at a workshop (“Werkstatt”) in Lothringen, Saar:

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Re: 21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by jopaerya » 09 Jan 2012 19:54

Hello

Same place as the post from 12-06-2009 , picture is from Ebay .

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Re: 21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by Sturm78 » 09 Jan 2012 20:14

Thanks for sharing this nice image, Jopaerya

All images show the howitzer with pneumatic tyres. However I found these images with these other steel wheels.
When this howitzer was modernized? In Czech period or in german hands after 1939?

Images from http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady1918-1939.estranky.cz
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Re: 21cm Skoda M16/18

Post by Pavel Novak » 15 Jan 2012 13:47

Hi
According to Janousek's Ceskoslovenske delostrelectvo: 1918-1939 page 112, this modernization was done in the second half of 1930s in Skoda in accordance with order from Czechoslovak defence ministry.

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