Help Id artillery

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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby Rui » 03 Aug 2014 21:01

Manuferey wrote:Hi Rui,

The tractor seems to be a version of the Vickers Utility Tractor.

I think that the towed gun is the optional barrel of 47 mm mounted on the carriage (prototype?) of the 76 mm FRC. :idea:

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Thanks, Emmanuel.

Do you have more pictures of that collection? And more for that version of tractor? :milwink:
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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby Manuferey » 03 Aug 2014 22:17

No, I don't have any other pictures from that collection. This is the only one that the owner posted on a French forum.

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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby nuyt » 05 Aug 2014 10:16

nuyt wrote:No, I am sorry: I think it is the same barrel, better compare here:
viewtopic.php?f=70&t=132347
The one on your picture just misses the shield and that protective handle around the breech, or whatever it is?
But yeah, it could be a prototype or a early production run.
I have no clue how the realtion between FRC (a state arsenal) and the private Cockerill Works functioned. It could be Cockerill was a subcontractor for the production of these weapons for FRC. This was how it worked in the Netherlands in the same period: AI Hembrug assembled weapons from parts produced by other Dutch companies, like Werkspoor, Wilton-Fijenoord, RDM, etc. No doubt it worked the same in other countries.


Right now I have my doubts if that Cockerill yard picture indeed shows the Cockerill yard. Can this be proven? Pardon my pigheadedness. I would say the presence of a lot of artillery material that has no direct link to Cockerill (in fact most if it is WW1 "Beute") and the Vickers tractor indicate that this is a Belgian Army facility or a state enterprise like FRC.
Here is some more info in Dutch on the C47 at gun. Therre were two types: 1932 and a slightly shorter 1936 model:
http://www.bunkergordel.be/1-2d-beschrijving%20tpg.htm

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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby peeved » 05 Aug 2014 10:58

According to British Tanks and Armoured Fighting Vehicles 1914-1945 by B.T.White the little unarmoured tractor was called Vickers-Carden-Loyd Utility Tractor in civilian and Vickers-Carden-Loyd Army Transport Tractor in military version; The British Army calling the latter Tractor, Light, GS, Mark I and a modified version Tractor, Light, GS, Mark IA while the quaint Anglican reversed designation for the armoured version supplied to Belgium was Tractor, Light, High Speed (Armoured). The factory tractor appears to have a suspension similar to the British Army Mark I while the Armoured version and Mark IA had a strengthened suspension and at least in the Belgian version different road wheels.

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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby nuyt » 05 Aug 2014 11:18

The vehicle appears to be a stripdown version of the Belgian Vickers Utility B light artillery tractor for the C47 at gun. Also built by Familleureux in Belgium. Same suspension, size and front as the pics shown in vanderveen's books. Here some info: http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/t ... s+Tractors

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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby nuyt » 05 Sep 2014 14:30

BTW the FRC 47mm on the carriage of the FRC 76mm can be seen in the background!

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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby Sturm78 » 07 Sep 2014 10:01

Hi all,

I am not sure about this gun. First, I thought in a 107mm M1910-30 Soviet gun but now I see some differences.
Any idea ??

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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby Manuferey » 07 Sep 2014 13:25

Sturm78,

The M1910/30 had a muzzle brake, this one doesn't. So it could be either the 107 mm M1910 or the M1913 (improved carriage). :idea:

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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby schwarzermai » 09 Sep 2014 16:31

hello

what gun is it??
thanks for your help
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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby Sturm78 » 09 Sep 2014 16:36

Emmanuel wrote
The M1910/30 had a muzzle brake, this one doesn't. So it could be either the 107 mm M1910 or the M1913 (improved carriage). :idea:


Thank you for your answer, Emmanuel

Uwe wrote
what gun is it??
thanks for your help


I think someone already asked for this gun some time ago on the forum but I do not know not exactly where
I think french naval gun

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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby jopaerya » 09 Sep 2014 16:45

Hello Uwe

Many books and Forums labels this gun as a French 90 mm Mle 26-30 sur affût C.C.A. Mle. 1931
at Cap Brun but looks also a possible candidate 100 mm ????????????? at Com. Teste

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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby schwarzermai » 10 Sep 2014 11:19

thanks to you both for your help...
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viewtopic.php?f=70&t=112552&start=195#p2028003

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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby photo-war » 16 Sep 2014 05:37

Please help to ID these guns, all came from 1.GJ division album. Thanks in advance!

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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby na4222 » 16 Sep 2014 06:52

Here goes,

Photo no.1 - Russian 122mm howitzer
Photo no.2 - 3.7cm Pak
Photo no.3 - Russian 76mm gun (could though be a 57mm)

I am not at home so can't be as difinitive as I like (no sources to consult easily).

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Nezar

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Re: Help Id artillery

Postby na4222 » 16 Sep 2014 07:12

Hello everone,

Can anyone help in identifying this gun? I was initially leaning towards to 10cm lfh30(t) but now seriously doubt this is what it is :?

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Many thanks,
Nezar


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