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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by schwarzermai » 27 Sep 2014 09:46

Markus,

if its "barrel out of battery" - then should not the barrel on the other side in the rear end position?
i think the barrel is in front-end-position.

maybe its an le.F.H. 18 (r) - barrel of le. F.H. 18 mounted in carriage of 12,2 cm s.f.H. 396 (r)
i think the black part of the tube is a sleeve as pipe diameter reducer

starts in end 1944 barrels of german guns were mounted in "Beutelafetten"

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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by peeved » 27 Sep 2014 13:40

schwarzermai wrote:if its "barrel out of battery" - then should not the barrel on the other side in the rear end position?
Not necessarily since the barrel, although out-of-battery, doesn't appear to be in the full recoil position. IMO the photo perspective and maybe a slight traverse to the left make the breech overhang appear small.
schwarzermai wrote:i think the barrel is in front-end-position.
The large diameter barrel shroud should be further forward in battery; see below (maybe ca. 30...40 cm based on the M1 carbine on the left in the original picture).
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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by schwarzermai » 30 Sep 2014 07:30

markus, hello.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukSG8lUcajU

at 1,24 you can see this gun in firing position. the protection Sleeve didnt change the position (but on the photo did it) , at the photo we can see the protection sleeve reduced and a additional black sleeve in which the tube was inserted.
(sorry my english is not so good, hope i found the right words.)

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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by Alanmccoubrey » 30 Sep 2014 07:41

All this technical artillery speak is confusing me, could we not just agree that the gun is broken and therefore looks odd ?
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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by schwarzermai » 30 Sep 2014 07:53

please - no, its very interesting for me

some units of Volks-Artillerie-Korps had le.F.H.18 (r) - but i never saw a photo of this variant yet

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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by peeved » 30 Sep 2014 10:25

Didn't know the protective sleeve was normally stationary. In that case I tend to agree with Alan that
Alanmccoubrey wrote:the gun is broken and therefore looks odd
Maybe the former management removed the recoil system's drain plug before last shot and thus dislodged the protective sleeve and damaged the recuperator. Couldn't find a pic of a healthy M-30 from the same perspective but IMO the Bulgarian gun in the following link is pretty close and shows that the breech should be further forward in battery: http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/m-30.htm
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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by Clive Mortimore » 30 Sep 2014 20:46

schwarzermai wrote:markus, hello.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukSG8lUcajU

at 1,24 you can see this gun in firing position. the protection Sleeve didnt change the position (but on the photo did it) , at the photo we can see the protection sleeve reduced and a additional black sleeve in which the tube was inserted.
(sorry my english is not so good, hope i found the right words.)

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Hi Uwe

The sleeve did recoil with the barrel. The animation does not seem to be correct. There a quite a few views later in the video that show the sleeve recoiling.

From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3X65w6crSM
122 recoil.png
You can see the barrel, between the recuperator and the cradle, the sleeve has recoiled with the barrel.

The dark area (using my gun fitter head) is where the last crew did not paint the bit of barrel hidden by the support connecting the cradle and the recuperator. :)

I think this is a standard 122mm How M30, I might be wrong. I have never heard of a 10.5 cm leFH (r) and would like to know more.
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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by schwarzermai » 30 Sep 2014 21:21

Hello Clive

Volks-Art.Korps 410:
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also 13.3.1945 – Umbau von Beutegeschützen - Notiz Organisationsabteilung
1.) Für die z.Z. laufende Einlagerung von le.F.H. 18/40 Rohren in Beutelafetten stehen zur Verfügung: ca. 800 Rohre
2.) An umbaufähigen Lafetten der 12,2cm s.F.H. 396 (r) stehen zur Verfügung: ca. 850 Lafetten, davon a) bereits umgebaut in Werkstätten der Fz.In. – 145 Geschütze
b) weiterer Umbau durch Fz.In. – 100 Geschütze
c) Umbau in Feldwerkstätten (laut Generalquartiermeister) – 400 Geschütze
zusammen 645 Geschütze
Auslieferung der Rohre zum Umbau gemäß C) ist angelaufen. Beabsichtigte Auslieferung der Gesamtmenge bis Ende März 1945.
3.) Die restlichen Rohre werden zur Einlagerung in die Lafette der 15,2cm s.F.H. 445 (r) verwendet.

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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by peeved » 30 Sep 2014 21:49

If the barrels for the hybrids were from the le.F.H. 18/40 wouldn't they have muzzle brakes?

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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by Clive Mortimore » 30 Sep 2014 22:54

schwarzermai wrote:Hello Clive

Volks-Art.Korps 410:
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also 13.3.1945 – Umbau von Beutegeschützen - Notiz Organisationsabteilung
1.) Für die z.Z. laufende Einlagerung von le.F.H. 18/40 Rohren in Beutelafetten stehen zur Verfügung: ca. 800 Rohre
2.) An umbaufähigen Lafetten der 12,2cm s.F.H. 396 (r) stehen zur Verfügung: ca. 850 Lafetten, davon a) bereits umgebaut in Werkstätten der Fz.In. – 145 Geschütze
b) weiterer Umbau durch Fz.In. – 100 Geschütze
c) Umbau in Feldwerkstätten (laut Generalquartiermeister) – 400 Geschütze
zusammen 645 Geschütze
Auslieferung der Rohre zum Umbau gemäß C) ist angelaufen. Beabsichtigte Auslieferung der Gesamtmenge bis Ende März 1945.
3.) Die restlichen Rohre werden zur Einlagerung in die Lafette der 15,2cm s.F.H. 445 (r) verwendet.

Uwe
Thanks Uwe
peeved wrote:If the barrels for the hybrids were from the le.F.H. 18/40 wouldn't they have muzzle brakes?

Markus
Hi Markus

The 122mm M30 carriage and recoil system might be good enough to take the recoil shock of a 10.5 cm le FH 18/40 without the help of a muzzel brake. If these barrels were the stock of spare barrels for the 10.5 cm le FH 18/40 in service I suspect they would have the screw thread to take the muzzle brake machined on to the barrel, the gun in the photo does not.
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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 15 Nov 2014 11:37

Hi all,

I am not sure about these guns. Skoda ?? M ??

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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by karlik » 20 Nov 2014 19:12

Not german FK16?

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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 21 Nov 2014 00:38

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Any idea about this? French mortar?
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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by haxtur » 21 Nov 2014 20:08

Sturm 78, I think they are leFH 16 10,5 cm, not FK.

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Re: Help Id artillery

Post by Manuferey » 28 Dec 2014 19:32

This pre-war footage shows the old general Mackensen visiting the Krupp factory:
http://footage.framepool.com/en/shot/82 ... e-howitzer

Two different guns can be seen. I have not been able to ID them yet. Any idea?

They look bigger than the 7,5 cm FK38 and show some similarities in the recoil tubes with the 10,5 cm leFH18 for gun # 1 and with the s.10 cm K18 for gun # 2. We can also see on the first gun, some vertical shock absorbers sticking above the shield.

Gun # 1:

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Gun # 2:

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