Question about 3.7 cm Pak

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Does somebody know if there is any difference between 3.7 cm Pak 35 and 3.7 cm Pak 36?
or is exactly the same weapon?

Photo from ebay

Regards, Sturm78.

[jopaerya]

Hello

I think that the name 3.7 cm Pak 36 or 35 never was a official name for this gun
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... truppenpak

Regards Jos

[Manuferey]

Interestingly, in "Handbook of German Military Forces" dated March 1945, the Americans referred to the gun as "3,7 cm Pak" indeed ! All the other German guns are referred with a year after Pak.

Emmanuel

[Erik E]

Agrre with Jos... Try finding it in German sources
So far I think no one have provided any German documents referring to "3,7cm PAK 36" (or PAK 35)

EE

[tom!]

Hi.

Waffen Revue issues 72-74 includes a reprint of the official Wehrmacht description of the 3,7 cm Pak. Issue 72 and 73 included several reprints of official Wehramt/OKH papers. These includes the following designations:

Geheime Kommandosache 6163/32 dated 20.11.1932:
"3,7 cm Tak" (Tank-Abwehr-Kanone)

Allgemeine Heeresmitteilung dated 07.07.1936:
3,7 cm Pak" (Panzer-Abwehr-Kanone)

Allgemeine Heeresmitteilung dated 24.04.1941:
"3,7 cm Pak" (Panzer-Jäger-Kanone)

So no "35/36" or "36" in the official designations.

Yours

tom!

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Thank you for your informations.

Regards, Sturm78.

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay. 3.7cm Tak or 3.7cm Pak??

Regards Sturm78

[John Hilly]

3.7cm Tak!
Juha-Pekka

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

I found this interesting image on Ebay. According to photocaption bulgarian guns. I think 3.7cm TaK anti-tank guns.
It is curious that as a small-caliber gun used a limber for horse drawn traction.

Regards Sturm78

[HerrLyppe]

I'm not sure if this is a help or a hindrance to this discussion but I have a manual (although relatively unrelated) 'D151 Vorlaufige Geratbeschreibung un Behandlung der 3.7 cm Panzerabwehrkanone 37 (t)' which clearly states the designation as Pak 37.
The post-war British evaluation lists the weapon as 37mm Pak 35/36 but does not provide any further information on any differentiation between 35 and 36 or the origins of the identification.
Although, after having gone over a number of detailed walkarounds I've done of the weapon, nowhere on it is the designation stamped. Unlike on other artillery pieces I've seen. There are the standard stamps present on the shovels, carriage and cradle, along with a variety of stamps on the breech, but all simply stating production number, year and WaPru check.
All food for thought.

Allan

[Clive Mortimore]

Hi all,

I found this interesting image on Ebay. According to photocaption bulgarian guns. I think 3.7cm TaK anti-tank guns.
It is curious that as a small-caliber gun used a limber for horse drawn traction.

Regards Sturm78

Hi Sturm

Many countries used horse traction for their anti-tank guns. It was common for the Soviet 45mm anti tank guns were pulled by horses.

Yours

Clive

[Simperator]

I'm not sure if this is a help or a hindrance to this discussion but I have a manual (although relatively unrelated) 'D151 Vorlaufige Geratbeschreibung un Behandlung der 3.7 cm Panzerabwehrkanone 37 (t)' which clearly states the designation as Pak 37.
The post-war British evaluation lists the weapon as 37mm Pak 35/36 but does not provide any further information on any differentiation between 35 and 36 or the origins of the identification.
Although, after having gone over a number of detailed walkarounds I've done of the weapon, nowhere on it is the designation stamped. Unlike on other artillery pieces I've seen. There are the standard stamps present on the shovels, carriage and cradle, along with a variety of stamps on the breech, but all simply stating production number, year and WaPru check.
All food for thought.

Allan

Hi Allan!

I think you're mistaken. The gun you're talking about is in fact, as the designation already shows, a Czech Pak, the original name is "37mm Skoda Kanon P.U.V vz. 37.L/47.8", and this is it:

http://svsm.org/gallery/37mm_skoda/P1260591

I am absolutely sure that in the beginning or the war,the German 3,7 cm Pak had no year added to its designation, because i own a reprint of a Reibert book for "Panzerabwehrschützen", where it is mentioned simply as "3,7-cm-Panzerabwehrkanone".
But I think it could have received later in the war a year designation to avoid confusion with the huge amount of other Beute-Paks.

Simon

[HerrLyppe]

Hi Simon,
You're right in saying that the manual is on the Czech 37mm, most of the images contain both German and Czech descriptions. My point in mentioning it was to highlight the inclusion of the designation, and not it's relationship with the 37mm Pak 35/36, if I didn't explain myself properly before.
The manual is original and is dated 1940.



Allan

[John Hilly]

3,7 cm AT-guns in Finnish use:

http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/AT_GUNS1.htm

Greets
Juhe-Pekka

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay: 3.7cm Pak german gun with the 3.7cm Pak 36(p) wheels ??

Sturm78