Help Id these heavy coastal guns

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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by ROLAND1369 » 23 Feb 2022 02:01

From the very prominent shape of the covered Breech area as well as the configuration of the barrel I will go out on a limb and say that this is a 380 MM french m1935 naval gun intended for the Battleship Jean Bart. The Germans captured a number of them and under the nomenclature 380 MM K.M. 36_35 (f) and utilized them in a partially completed three gun battery in Norway as well as an incomplete(1 gun mounted but not ready for service) 3 gun battery at Le Havre France.
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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by ALVF » 23 Feb 2022 07:50

Hello,

The photograph of the tube on a "wagon de transport spécial" of the "Fonderie de Ruelle" depicts a new 380 mm tube, built in 1945-1948 years for the refurbished "Jean Bart" battleship.
Il is a 380 mm modèle 1936 C/1935 built from forgings elements hidden in Saint-Chamond works during 1940-1944 years and not used by the germans from 1942 to 1944 (germans entered in southern France only in november 1942).

-Nota: in 1940, the 380 mm guns were "modèle 1935 C/1935" on the "Richelieu" and on one finished turret of "Jean Bart" battleship. In 1943, the four guns of the "Jean Bart" turret went to "Richelieu". In 1945, the new built guns for battleships were 380 mm modèle 1936 C/1935.
The difference between "modèle 1935" and "modèle 1936" are very small (slightly small components concerned). The rifling is the same for the two models . The "chemise" is the same of the model 1935 (C/1935).
Yours sincerely,
Guy François.

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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by Sturm78 » 25 Feb 2022 19:43

ROLAND1369 wrote
From the very prominent shape of the covered Breech area as well as the configuration of the barrel I will go out on a limb and say that this is a 380 MM french m1935 naval gun intended for the Battleship Jean Bart. The Germans captured a number of them and under the nomenclature 380 MM K.M. 36_35 (f) and utilized them in a partially completed three gun battery in Norway as well as an incomplete(1 gun mounted but not ready for service) 3 gun battery at Le Havre France.
Thanks, ROLAND1369
Well, so MKB 6.-501 (Vardaas Fort), Nötteröy island, near Oslo. I guess the image must be taken in 1944-45

Here another image from Ebay:

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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by ROLAND1369 » 26 Feb 2022 17:06

Not necessarily. Post war the French exchanged the 380 MM guns from battery Todt, with parts from the 380 MM German RR guns captured in the south of France, for these 380 MM French guns and these photos could also be from that period. The moving equipment was still in place and was used for movement in both time periods.

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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by forttravel » 26 Feb 2022 18:00

That story is described in DAWA 28, pages 26-35.

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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by Sturm78 » 09 Mar 2022 15:24

Thanks, ROLAND1369 and forttravel

Here, another image from Ebay. I think it is impossibly to identify the gun.... :roll:

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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by CNOCK » 09 Mar 2022 16:17

Grosser Kurfürst before it got its S412 firing platform?

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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by Jens Andersen » 10 Mar 2022 13:05

The picture was published on 18 December 1940, so that might rule some of the possibilities out.
https://www.ebay.de/itm/154882528850?ha ... SwW6piImfL

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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by Jens Andersen » 10 Mar 2022 13:43

I would agree that "Grosser Kurfürst" is absolutely a possibility.
On the picture you see what looks like a rectangular front and a dome with observation slits.
And it might look like the early configuration of the gun platforms of that battery - at least as I can interpret it from the pictures in the book "Artillerieduell der Fernkampfgeschütze am Pas de Calais 1940-44" - third page in the link: https://www.das-geschichtsbuch.de/produ ... ts_id=7543

Does anyone in here a good picture of the early the gun platforms?

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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by Sturm78 » 18 Mar 2022 16:55

Thanks, Jens and Cnock

It is probably that you are right, although it is difficult to ensure...

On ther other hand, Can somebody identify this gun ?

Image from Ebay
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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Apr 2022 20:24

Nobody for my last image ?

Well here another image from Ebay. A old German coastal gun. According to photo caption, an 30.5cm gun in Cuxhaven.
Any idea about the exact model of the gun and batterie ?

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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by tristan-gereon » 17 Apr 2022 19:04

Hi,
it must be the Kanonenbatterie, in the west of Fort Kugelbake, now Miniaturgolfpark Döse.
There were 7 x 30,5 cm K.L/35.
Regards Oliver

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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by na4222 » 17 Apr 2022 20:20

Thanks very much Oliver. Do you have more information about this type of gun. Couldn’t find any information on the net.

Many thanks in advance.
Nezar

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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by tristan-gereon » 18 Apr 2022 19:14

Hi,
sorry I haven't any informations about the 30,5 cm K.L/35. It seems, that these 7 guns are unique.
But here you can find some informations: https://www.museumalkmaar40-45.nl/voors ... -dv-nr-499:

M.Dv.Nr. 475,71
Geheim !
Tagesverbesserungstafeln für die 30,5 cm Kanone L/35 der Marine-Küstenartillerie
1927

M.Dv.Nr. 475,72
Geheim !
Tagesverbesserungstafeln für die 30,5 cm Kanone L/35 der Marine-Küstenartillerie ind ihre 8,8 cm Abkomm-Kanone L/40
1928

M.Dv.Nr. 475,73
Geheim !
Tagesverbesserungstafeln für die 30,5 cm Kanone L/35 der Marine-Küstenartillerie mit Sprenggranaten L/3,7 m. Bdz. u. Kz
1930

Regards Oliver

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Re: Help Id these heavy coastal guns

Post by na4222 » 18 Apr 2022 20:42

Fascinating Oliver. Thanks again. Never heard of these guns before. Something new everyday! Hopefully with time more information about them comes to light.

Best regards,
Nezar

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