Id. heavy artillery ammunition

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby Sturm78 » 16 Aug 2012 07:55

Thank you very much for your replies, Zünder and al'saad

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby Zünder » 16 Aug 2012 08:44

al'saad wrote:
Sturm78 wrote:Hi all,

An 8.8cm Pak-43-41 AT shell. I do not know the exact model

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It could be 8,8cm PzGr 39/1 Patr (APHE) or 8,8cm PzGr 40 Patr (AP Tungsten-carbide core),



@al'saad: the shell could have been a 8,8 cm pzgr 39-1,although not very likely; it was only used in the Pak43 & Kw.K. 43 for a short period of time, and only for fresh barrels.
I think a 8,8 cm Spgr. 43 or a 8,8 cm pzgr 39/43 is much more likely, these were by far the most used, especially the Pzgr 39/43.

8,8 cm Pzgr 40 was used in 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36, not Pak 43 (and Kw.K. 43).

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby al'saad » 16 Aug 2012 09:15

Zunder, thanks. I thought that 8.8 PzGr40 was PaK43 round but was lazy to check in the book. Regards.

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby Zünder » 16 Aug 2012 10:20

@al'saad:no, that would have been the 8,8 cm Pzgr. 40/43 which had wider drivingbands because of the higher gaspressure.

Both are equally rare, i doubt many were actually fired.

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby al'saad » 16 Aug 2012 12:37

yup, just checking TM, visual difference are very obvious.

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby Sturm78 » 01 Sep 2012 19:12

Hi all,

Any idea??

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby Clive Mortimore » 01 Sep 2012 21:32

Sturm78 wrote:Hi all,

Any idea??

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Hi Sturm

One that hasn't gone BANG!!!!!!! Not only has the driving band got rifling marks but also the shell along all its body. That is one very tight fitting shell. There appears to be no fuse on the nose of the shell. It could be base fused.

Another thought is a proof shot. When a barrel is new it is test fired with a double charge to ensure it isn't going to split. This is done twice. The shell in the photo hasn't exploded suggesting it is a dud or it is solid shot. The Germans did not use solid shot. Their armour piercing shell had a small explosive base, and with the sailor next to it, it is a naval shell, again most navies used semi armour piecing shells with an explosive element. The fact it has rifling marks along the body suggest that the rifling has not worn at all and the barrel is new.

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby Sturm78 » 30 Sep 2012 16:34

Hi all,

A nice image of 8.8cm Flak shells:

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby Sturm78 » 02 Oct 2012 19:39

Hi all,

Any idea?

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby Zünder » 03 Oct 2012 09:03

@Sturm: judging by the blunt round nose and 3 rings: 340 mm.
Obus de 340 mm explosif en fonte aciérée, mod. 1915 to be exact.
Big shell, 465 kg.

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby Sturm78 » 03 Oct 2012 11:20

Thank you very much for your help, again, Zünder

Here, another image from Ebay: I think french shells, probably 220mm. Which is your opinion?

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby Zünder » 03 Oct 2012 17:42

@Sturm: i think it's smaller, 155 mm probably.
I see a marking indicating weigh of 43,... kg, and it's for a GP (Grand Puissance) gun.
I think it's a shell for the Canon de 155 mm GPF, but because it's in black and white the colourcode cannot be seen a 100% match is difficult.
My money is on a: Obis de 155 mm Explosif en acier, mod. 1915 B GP, which weighed 43,1 kg.

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby Sturm78 » 04 Oct 2012 12:07

Thank you for your reply, Zünder.

You are the expert,... :wink: so I suppose that you are right

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby Sturm78 » 23 Oct 2012 18:54

Hi all,

30.5cm Skoda M16 shells. M15/28 or M35 ?

Any idea about my questions posted here on 08 Dec 2011 viewtopic.php?f=70&t=145313&hilit=ammunition&start=165

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Re: Id. heavy artillery ammunition

Postby Zünder » 23 Oct 2012 22:22

@Sturm: these look like M15/28 to me, M35 had a fuze in the nose (i don't see these in the picture) and in the base.

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