Id. heavy artillery ammunition

[Sturm78]

Thank you very much for your replies, Zünder and al'saad

Regards Sturm78

[Zünder]

Hi all,

An 8.8cm Pak-43-41 AT shell. I do not know the exact model

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Sturm78

It could be 8,8cm PzGr 39/1 Patr (APHE) or 8,8cm PzGr 40 Patr (AP Tungsten-carbide core),

@al'saad: the shell could have been a 8,8 cm pzgr 39-1,although not very likely; it was only used in the Pak43 & Kw.K. 43 for a short period of time, and only for fresh barrels.
I think a 8,8 cm Spgr. 43 or a 8,8 cm pzgr 39/43 is much more likely, these were by far the most used, especially the Pzgr 39/43.

8,8 cm Pzgr 40 was used in 8,8 cm Kw.K. 36, not Pak 43 (and Kw.K. 43).

Zünder,


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[al'saad]

Zunder, thanks. I thought that 8.8 PzGr40 was PaK43 round but was lazy to check in the book. Regards.

[Zünder]

@al'saad:no, that would have been the 8,8 cm Pzgr. 40/43 which had wider drivingbands because of the higher gaspressure.

Both are equally rare, i doubt many were actually fired.

Zünder,


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[al'saad]

yup, just checking TM, visual difference are very obvious.

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Any idea??

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Sturm78

[Clive Mortimore]

Hi all,

Any idea??

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Sturm78

Hi Sturm

One that hasn't gone BANG!!!!!!! Not only has the driving band got rifling marks but also the shell along all its body. That is one very tight fitting shell. There appears to be no fuse on the nose of the shell. It could be base fused.

Another thought is a proof shot. When a barrel is new it is test fired with a double charge to ensure it isn't going to split. This is done twice. The shell in the photo hasn't exploded suggesting it is a dud or it is solid shot. The Germans did not use solid shot. Their armour piercing shell had a small explosive base, and with the sailor next to it, it is a naval shell, again most navies used semi armour piecing shells with an explosive element. The fact it has rifling marks along the body suggest that the rifling has not worn at all and the barrel is new.

Clive

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

A nice image of 8.8cm Flak shells:

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[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Any idea?

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[Zünder]

@Sturm: judging by the blunt round nose and 3 rings: 340 mm.
Obus de 340 mm explosif en fonte aciérée, mod. 1915 to be exact.
Big shell, 465 kg.

Zünder,


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[Sturm78]

Thank you very much for your help, again, Zünder

Here, another image from Ebay: I think french shells, probably 220mm. Which is your opinion?

Sturm78

[Zünder]

@Sturm: i think it's smaller, 155 mm probably.
I see a marking indicating weigh of 43,... kg, and it's for a GP (Grand Puissance) gun.
I think it's a shell for the Canon de 155 mm GPF, but because it's in black and white the colourcode cannot be seen a 100% match is difficult.
My money is on a: Obis de 155 mm Explosif en acier, mod. 1915 B GP, which weighed 43,1 kg.

Zünder,


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[Sturm78]

Thank you for your reply, Zünder.

You are the expert,... so I suppose that you are right

Regards Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

30.5cm Skoda M16 shells. M15/28 or M35 ?

Any idea about my questions posted here on 08 Dec 2011 http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &start=165

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[Zünder]

@Sturm: these look like M15/28 to me, M35 had a fuze in the nose (i don't see these in the picture) and in the base.

Zünder,

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