Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)
Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)
Hello All
I came across this gun , does anyone know this gun ?? , I know the
13 cm S.K.L/50 and 55 and the 13 cm B13 but this one is new for me ??
Regards Jos
I came across this gun , does anyone know this gun ?? , I know the
13 cm S.K.L/50 and 55 and the 13 cm B13 but this one is new for me ??
Regards Jos
Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)
Hello All
Thanks to a tipp from Erik E. found this from the book Tyske kystfort i Norge from J.E. Fjortoft
a 13 cm L/50 M 1940 this gun could be a option are there any picture's of the M.K.B. Nordfjord ?
Regards Jos
Thanks to a tipp from Erik E. found this from the book Tyske kystfort i Norge from J.E. Fjortoft
a 13 cm L/50 M 1940 this gun could be a option are there any picture's of the M.K.B. Nordfjord ?
Regards Jos
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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)
As I always say Google first and ask then
http://victorian.fortunecity.com/lexing ... dfjord.htm
http://www.bunkerpictures.nl/pictures/n ... nvang.html
Regards Jos
http://victorian.fortunecity.com/lexing ... dfjord.htm
http://www.bunkerpictures.nl/pictures/n ... nvang.html
Regards Jos
Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)
So they are B-13s... But they are called M/1940.
Do you know any location where these 13 cm Sk C/1940 (r) were mounted?
Regards
Grzesio
Do you know any location where these 13 cm Sk C/1940 (r) were mounted?
Regards
Grzesio
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Hi Grzesio
The one's I found were in Crimea that seems logic , re used Russian coast artillery , but how
did the 13 cm B-13 from M.K.B. Nordfjord get there , I know the story of the Nina-guns ???
Regards Jos
The one's I found were in Crimea that seems logic , re used Russian coast artillery , but how
did the 13 cm B-13 from M.K.B. Nordfjord get there , I know the story of the Nina-guns ???
Regards Jos
Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)
As they were operational in Nordfjord from summer 1942, I would conclude that they came from a captured arsenal or battery taken before 1942 (Transport + checking + sending to Norway and get them into position would surely take a few months)...but how did the 13 cm B-13 from M.K.B. Nordfjord get there
The serial number of the remaining gun is "463" if anyone can pull something from that?
PS:
A shot in the dark, but some Google searching turns up a lot of hits for 13 cm batteries in the Sevastopol area..
Erik
Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)
Hi Erik
Thanks for the information and the number of the gun , the M.K.B. in Crimea is called Sewastopol-Nord .
edit - beside these guns that were used in coast batteries there were also guns used as landdefence a
other remark is according to the internetsite Naval weapons in 1941 there were 378 guns so the number
from Erik should fit .
Regards Jos
Thanks for the information and the number of the gun , the M.K.B. in Crimea is called Sewastopol-Nord .
edit - beside these guns that were used in coast batteries there were also guns used as landdefence a
other remark is according to the internetsite Naval weapons in 1941 there were 378 guns so the number
from Erik should fit .
Regards Jos
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Hello
This breech does not fit with the other photo's we have seen of the 13 cm B-13 ??
Photo = Ebay.de
Regards Jos
This breech does not fit with the other photo's we have seen of the 13 cm B-13 ??
Photo = Ebay.de
Regards Jos
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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)
Well, the guns at Nordfjord actually were "Nina"-guns
- see: http://www.museumscenterhanstholm.dk/vi ... language=2
Jens
- see: http://www.museumscenterhanstholm.dk/vi ... language=2
Jens
Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)
Hello Jens
One of the guns for sure , but what about the other 2 ( 13 cm B-13 first used in 1936 ) , they are not from the White russian Fleet ??? AFAIK the guns of the White Fleet were transportted in the Nina and felt in German hands .
Regards Jos
One of the guns for sure , but what about the other 2 ( 13 cm B-13 first used in 1936 ) , they are not from the White russian Fleet ??? AFAIK the guns of the White Fleet were transportted in the Nina and felt in German hands .
Regards Jos
Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)
In the beginning, yes - But after the battery was more or less completely destroyed by the British during the "Operation Archery" 27.dec. 1941, the battery was equipped with two new b13 guns + one "Nina gun" in 1942.Well, the guns at Nordfjord actually were "Nina"-guns
I`m not able to open the list at the link you posted Jens, but if it`s made before christmas 1941, that explains the difference
The ramaining gun still standing there today is marked "B 13" & "1940"
As Jos says, the breech surley looks completely different...Even the barrels are different..
Could there be different versions of B-13? 1936 & 1940 e.g. ?
Erik
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Thank you very much Erik
For helping me out with the lose ends , first the Operation Archery 27.dec. 1941 is totely new for me ,
this explains the 2 new B-13 guns and your detailed photo of the breech clearly stated the 1940 so the
German name C 1940 is very logical .
Regards Jos
For helping me out with the lose ends , first the Operation Archery 27.dec. 1941 is totely new for me ,
this explains the 2 new B-13 guns and your detailed photo of the breech clearly stated the 1940 so the
German name C 1940 is very logical .
Regards Jos
Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)
Hello Jos!jopaerya wrote: This breech does not fit with the other photo's we have seen of the 13 cm B-13 ??
Of course, it is not a 13 cm B-13, but 10 cm B-24 of 200th division from so-called Special Naval Artillery Group. This unit of two divisions was employed in July 1941 at Rzhev - Vyazma line, west from Moscow. The gun was taken by Germans probably on 9 October 1941.
Regards, Denis
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Thanks Denis
I was fouled by the gun house , I am learning every day . Interesting to hear
that a lot of the 100 mm B 24 and 130 mm B 13 guns were used a land defence .
Regards Jos
I was fouled by the gun house , I am learning every day . Interesting to hear
that a lot of the 100 mm B 24 and 130 mm B 13 guns were used a land defence .
Regards Jos
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Hello Josjopaerya wrote:a lot of the 100 mm B 24 and 130 mm B 13 guns were used a land defence
I wouldn't say «a lot» , because there were only 3 episodes, when such guns were used more or less far from sea.
(1) In July 1941 in the Krasnogwardeisk Fortified District, South from Leningrad, were employed 2 batteries: «A» of 9 old 130 mm L/55 guns at Duderhof and Kirchhof Heights, and «B» of ten 130 mm B 13 guns at Pulkovo Heights. Battery «A» was destroyed in close combat by units of 1.PD on 9–12 September 1941 (its gun No.2 is depicted in the fig. 327 in the “Denkschrift über die russische Landbefestigung”), guns of the battery «B» were destroyed or heavily damaged between 13 and 19 September (there was German 36.ID(mot)). The position of battery «B» though, became the ultimate line of German advance in Pulkovo direction.
(2) In July–August 1941 12 batteries of the Special Naval Artillery Group were installed at the Rzhev — Vyazma line. The 199th division of 4 bateries (10 guns of 100 mm and 152 mm) was employed near Olenino, the 200th division (8 batteries, 20 guns — 100 mm, 130 mm, 152 mm) — near Izdeshkovo. These batteries were lost in defencive battles of 8–10 October 1941.
(3) In August–September 1941 eight batteries were installed in northern part of Crimea at Perekop (see fig. 451 in the “Denkschrift…”). They were:
battery No. 121 = 4 guns 152 mm;
battery No. 122 = 4 guns 100 mm;
battery No. 123 = 4 guns 130 mm;
battery No. 124 = 4 guns 130 mm;
battery No. 125 = 4 guns 100 mm;
battery No. 126 = 3 guns 130 mm;
battery No. 127 = 4 guns 100 mm;
battery No. 727 = 4 guns 152 mm.
In the battle from 17 September 1941 most of these batteries were suppressed by dive bombers and then assaulted by infantry.
Regards, Denis