Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by jopaerya » 13 Nov 2008, 20:59

Hello All

I came across this gun , does anyone know this gun ?? , I know the
13 cm S.K.L/50 and 55 and the 13 cm B13 but this one is new for me ??

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Post by jopaerya » 16 Nov 2008, 23:22

Hello All

Thanks to a tipp from Erik E. found this from the book Tyske kystfort i Norge from J.E. Fjortoft
a 13 cm L/50 M 1940 this gun could be a option are there any picture's of the M.K.B. Nordfjord ?

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Post by Grzesio » 17 Nov 2008, 12:28

So they are B-13s... But they are called M/1940. :)
Do you know any location where these 13 cm Sk C/1940 (r) were mounted?

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Post by jopaerya » 17 Nov 2008, 13:48

Hi Grzesio

The one's I found were in Crimea that seems logic , re used Russian coast artillery , but how
did the 13 cm B-13 from M.K.B. Nordfjord get there , I know the story of the Nina-guns ???

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Post by Erik E » 17 Nov 2008, 22:42

but how did the 13 cm B-13 from M.K.B. Nordfjord get there
As they were operational in Nordfjord from summer 1942, I would conclude that they came from a captured arsenal or battery taken before 1942 (Transport + checking + sending to Norway and get them into position would surely take a few months)...
The serial number of the remaining gun is "463" if anyone can pull something from that?


PS:
A shot in the dark, but some Google searching turns up a lot of hits for 13 cm batteries in the Sevastopol area..
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Post by jopaerya » 17 Nov 2008, 22:55

Hi Erik

Thanks for the information and the number of the gun , the M.K.B. in Crimea is called Sewastopol-Nord .
edit - beside these guns that were used in coast batteries there were also guns used as landdefence a
other remark is according to the internetsite Naval weapons in 1941 there were 378 guns so the number
from Erik should fit .

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Post by jopaerya » 20 Nov 2008, 22:52

Hello

This breech does not fit with the other photo's we have seen of the 13 cm B-13 ??

Photo = Ebay.de

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Post by Jens Andersen » 20 Nov 2008, 23:41

Well, the guns at Nordfjord actually were "Nina"-guns
- see: http://www.museumscenterhanstholm.dk/vi ... language=2

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Post by jopaerya » 21 Nov 2008, 08:15

Hello Jens

One of the guns for sure , but what about the other 2 ( 13 cm B-13 first used in 1936 ) , they are not from the White russian Fleet ??? AFAIK the guns of the White Fleet were transportted in the Nina and felt in German hands .

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Post by Erik E » 22 Nov 2008, 02:09

Well, the guns at Nordfjord actually were "Nina"-guns
In the beginning, yes - But after the battery was more or less completely destroyed by the British during the "Operation Archery" 27.dec. 1941, the battery was equipped with two new b13 guns + one "Nina gun" in 1942.
I`m not able to open the list at the link you posted Jens, but if it`s made before christmas 1941, that explains the difference ;-)

The ramaining gun still standing there today is marked "B 13" & "1940"
As Jos says, the breech surley looks completely different...Even the barrels are different..
Could there be different versions of B-13? 1936 & 1940 e.g. ?

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Post by jopaerya » 22 Nov 2008, 10:58

Thank you very much Erik

For helping me out with the lose ends , first the Operation Archery 27.dec. 1941 is totely new for me ,
this explains the 2 new B-13 guns and your detailed photo of the breech clearly stated the 1940 so the
German name C 1940 is very logical .

Regards Jos

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Post by dvzhuk » 24 Nov 2008, 20:33

jopaerya wrote: This breech does not fit with the other photo's we have seen of the 13 cm B-13 ??
Hello Jos!

Of course, it is not a 13 cm B-13, but 10 cm B-24 of 200th division from so-called Special Naval Artillery Group. This unit of two divisions was employed in July 1941 at Rzhev - Vyazma line, west from Moscow. The gun was taken by Germans probably on 9 October 1941.

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Post by jopaerya » 24 Nov 2008, 21:05

Thanks Denis

I was fouled by the gun house , I am learning every day . Interesting to hear
that a lot of the 100 mm B 24 and 130 mm B 13 guns were used a land defence .

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Post by dvzhuk » 24 Nov 2008, 21:52

jopaerya wrote:a lot of the 100 mm B 24 and 130 mm B 13 guns were used a land defence
Hello Jos

I wouldn't say «a lot» :) , because there were only 3 episodes, when such guns were used more or less far from sea.

(1) In July 1941 in the Krasnogwardeisk Fortified District, South from Leningrad, were employed 2 batteries: «A» of 9 old 130 mm L/55 guns at Duderhof and Kirchhof Heights, and «B» of ten 130 mm B 13 guns at Pulkovo Heights. Battery «A» was destroyed in close combat by units of 1.PD on 9–12 September 1941 (its gun No.2 is depicted in the fig. 327 in the “Denkschrift über die russische Landbefestigung”), guns of the battery «B» were destroyed or heavily damaged between 13 and 19 September (there was German 36.ID(mot)). The position of battery «B» though, became the ultimate line of German advance in Pulkovo direction.
(2) In July–August 1941 12 batteries of the Special Naval Artillery Group were installed at the Rzhev — Vyazma line. The 199th division of 4 bateries (10 guns of 100 mm and 152 mm) was employed near Olenino, the 200th division (8 batteries, 20 guns — 100 mm, 130 mm, 152 mm) — near Izdeshkovo. These batteries were lost in defencive battles of 8–10 October 1941.
(3) In August–September 1941 eight batteries were installed in northern part of Crimea at Perekop (see fig. 451 in the “Denkschrift…”). They were:
battery No. 121 = 4 guns 152 mm;
battery No. 122 = 4 guns 100 mm;
battery No. 123 = 4 guns 130 mm;
battery No. 124 = 4 guns 130 mm;
battery No. 125 = 4 guns 100 mm;
battery No. 126 = 3 guns 130 mm;
battery No. 127 = 4 guns 100 mm;
battery No. 727 = 4 guns 152 mm.
In the battle from 17 September 1941 most of these batteries were suppressed by dive bombers and then assaulted by infantry.

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