Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by jopaerya » 24 Nov 2008, 22:23

Hi Denis thanks a "lot" :-) found also other guns .
http://fortress.wl.dvgu.ru/eng/morgun_en.htm

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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by dvzhuk » 25 Nov 2008, 22:40

jopaerya wrote:found also other guns
Hello Jos

Thank you for this link. Of course, Vladivostok fortress is very interesting place :)

But I think, we could return to Baltic coast and discuss B-13's captured and used by Germans :wink:

There were 9 batteries with 34 130 mm guns in the Coast Defence of Baltic District in early September 1941:
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Most of these guns were destroyed in battles, or exploded by their crews being encircled. It is not a problem to find photos of the guns from the Baltic islands. Here 2 photos from Ösel (source = e-bay.de) :
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And a video from «Die Deutsche Wochenschau» newsreel, Nr. 582, 29.10.1941 — 130-mm B-13 gun, battery No. 43, Ösel, 1941:
[googlevideo]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8298761832[/googlevideo]

In Reval (Tallinn) there were three 130 mm L/55 in improvized railway mountings. They are out of this topic, I think :)
After capturing Reval, Germans repaired some of old batteries and employed new ones for coast defence. Of course, it was wise enough to use captured guns there. Probably, some of them were taken back by Soviets in 1944 :)
Some months ago there was an excellent photoset at e-bay with many photos taken between Reval and Leningrad. In several photos there was B-13 gun with older edged-style shield:
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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by jopaerya » 26 Nov 2008, 10:45

Hello

This is what I found in some information of reused 13 cm by the German troops in Russia .

Crimia = M.A.A. 601
Feodosija - 4 x 13 cm
Sewastopol-Nord 3 x 13 cm
Leningrad = M.A.A. 530
Kokuli 3 x 13 cm
Kurland = M.A.A. 5./534
Libau-Hafen 4 x 13 cm

Source = Artillerie in Kustenkampf

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Post by dvzhuk » 26 Nov 2008, 13:08

jopaerya wrote:Leningrad = M.A.A. 530
Kokuli 3 x 13 cm
Hello Jos

Thank you very much!!!
It makes clear origin of some photos in the mentioned set, and opens a new field of research for me :D

May I ask, whether you have more info on M.A.A. 530 ?

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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by jopaerya » 26 Nov 2008, 14:18

Hi Denis

I have only a batterie list from the M.A.A. 530 in 1945 in the Baltic States , in the
same book there is also a plan of the M.A.A. 530 during the Siege of Leningrad .

Nice to see the M.K.B. Prinz Heinrich in the early days at Pas de Calais and M.K.B.
Blucher sisterbatterie of the E-Bahn batterie Gneisenau and the M.Fl.A. 239 .

Do you know if there are any German fortifications left in your "backyard" :lol: ?

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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by dvzhuk » 26 Nov 2008, 15:24

jopaerya wrote:in the same book there is also a plan of the M.A.A. 530 during the Siege of Leningrad .
Hello Jos

Thank you, the plan is of great interest :)
Do you know if there are any German fortifications left in your "backyard" :lol: ?
They are, of course. Some of them are in 20-minutes-walk distance from my home — almost exactly in the «backyard» :D
There are two threads from Russian forums with several photos:
http://www.fortification.ru/oldforum/in ... 201&page=0
http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/arhprint/1164720

I remember also two small concrete pedestals with mounting rings of approx. 60 cm diameter quite close to coastline in Michailowka (Korkuli) and Peterhof. They are likely to be for AA and landing defence purposes there. In Michailowka it was near of an old wooden bunker, trenchlines and old pine with remains of a ladder on it — as it was an observation post on the tree.

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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by jopaerya » 26 Nov 2008, 16:55

Hello Denis

Thanks for the links , you find them every were ringstanden ( tobruks )

Regards Jos

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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by Sturm78 » 05 Dec 2008, 14:15

Hi Jopaerya,

M.K.B. Blucher railway artillery Kriegsmarine battery with 2X15cm guns??

I did not know this railway battery. According with my sources ("Eisenbahnartillerie" book of Guy Francois especially),
there was only one Kriegsmarine railway battery armed with 4X15cm SK L/45 (batterie Gneisenau), that was used in Pas de Calais and the french Mediterranean coast.

According to this book, the german army used also one railway battery with 4X15cm K E (E. batterie 655) though
according to "German artillery of World War Two" book of Ian V. Hog, were produced 18 15cm SK C/30 guns in 1937-38.

I just know 15cm L60 SK C/25, 15cm L55 SK C/28, 15cm L48 SK C/36 of WW2 and 15cm L45 SK L/45, 15 cm L40 SK L/40 and 15 cm L45 Tbts KL/45 of WW1 naval guns. no C/30??

see http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_Main.htm

Someone has more info?

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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by jopaerya » 06 Dec 2008, 19:53

Hi Sturm78

The information on the Eisenbahnbatterie Blucher is from the Book from von Harnier who had many
information from personel from several M.A.A. and other troops , also in the book end 1943 the
batterie was relocated at Kunda (Estonia) . There is no information in the book what type of 15 cm
it was .

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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by Sturm78 » 06 Nov 2009, 12:11

Hi all,

I found on Ebay this image. I think the weapon is a 130mm B-13 russian coastal gun. (according to photocaption in Sevastopol, Crimea)

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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by jopaerya » 06 Nov 2009, 19:54

Hello Sturm78

I think the gun is a Russian 10 cm B-24 , please see the first page I made the same mistake .

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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by dvzhuk » 06 Nov 2009, 19:59

Hello Jos,
jopaerya wrote:I think the gun is a Russian 10 cm B-24.
Agree with you, it is definitely B-24.

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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by Sturm78 » 06 Nov 2009, 20:45

Thank you very much for your information, Jopaerya and Dennis.

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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by stril » 09 Nov 2009, 08:46

The serial number of the remaining gun is "463" if anyone can pull something from that?
A bit late, but found this note about 463 :-)
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Re: Russian gun 13 cm C 1940 (r)

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Post by jopaerya » 09 Nov 2009, 16:05

Thanks Stril

First class information , so two guns were replaced at the M.K.B. Nordfjord after the raid .
Funny to read that even the Germans were a bit suprised about the difference's of the L/50 and L/55

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