M.K.B. Tirpitz

[jopaerya]

Hello

According to the photocaption this should be the making of the bettungen of the M.K.B. Tirpitz in Constanza
http://cgi.ebay.de/3x-Foto-Geschuetz-Ba ... 240%3A1318

Regards Jos

[Manuferey]

Jos,

I don't want to sound picky but the ebay text mentions "Tirpitz" and not "Tirplitz". So is the text wrong and was it actually "Tirplitz"?

I have found 2 other MKB Tirpitz (named after Admiral Alfred von Tirpitz) (no L): in Denmark (near Oxby) and in Belgium (Raversijde) .

Emmanuel

[jopaerya]

Hi Emmanuel

You are right , thanks for the correction , I have edit the first post .

Regards Jos

[Manuferey]

Here are some information about the MBK Tirpitz and Constanza:

"The 28 cm battery Tirpitz was placed in the isle of Voorne, South of Hoek van Holland in 1940. Its three guns were embedded on provisional emplacements. The battery was moved to Constanza in Romania in 1941."
(Source: http://www.atlanticwall.polimi.it/museu ... intro1.php)

"Marine-Artillerie-Abteilung 621
Formed 2.41 for Greece (1./MAA621 from 1./MAA205). In 6.41 moved to Phleves/Attika with 2 batteries. Disbanded 12.42, and the batteries became Bttr. Tirpitz and Bttr. Breslau in 1943.
Stab/MAA621 was reformed 9.43 in Constanza (Romania) and moved to Pola in Italy, controlling some independent Italian coastal batteries.
Subordinated to Seekdt. Attika, and from 9.43 Seekdt. Istrien."
(Source: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=86445)

Emmanuel

[vladalex]

Here are some information about the MBK Tirpitz and Constanza:

"The 28 cm battery Tirpitz was placed in the isle of Voorne, South of Hoek van Holland in 1940. Its three guns were embedded on provisional emplacements. The battery was moved to Constanza in Romania in 1941."
(Source: http://www.atlanticwall.polimi.it/museu ... intro1.php)

"Marine-Artillerie-Abteilung 621
Formed 2.41 for Greece (1./MAA621 from 1./MAA205). In 6.41 moved to Phleves/Attika with 2 batteries. Disbanded 12.42, and the batteries became Bttr. Tirpitz and Bttr. Breslau in 1943.
Stab/MAA621 was reformed 9.43 in Constanza (Romania) and moved to Pola in Italy, controlling some independent Italian coastal batteries.
Subordinated to Seekdt. Attika, and from 9.43 Seekdt. Istrien."
(Source: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=86445)

Emmanuel

Hello ,
A little help for the fan's of M.K.B. Tirpitz .
The pictures from e-bay posted on this post, have nothing in common with this famous battery.
The afirmation from Marine-Artillerie-Ableitung 621 " Stab/MAA621 was reformed 9.43 in Constanza (Romania) and moved to Pola in Italy, controlling some independent Italian coastal batteries.
must be understand in the following way : only the personel moved to Pola-Italy, because battery was blown-up
in 26 August , 02:30 AM, 1944.
For more information please , read the following link :
http://aedificium.rockhall.ro/the-tirpi ... y/?lang=en
Regards,
VladAlex

[Jens Andersen]

Hello VladAlex

Very nice to have that cleared up.

From the details of the bunker, it would seem that it was designed by the Romanian, as it have some very "un-German" details.

Best regards
Jens

[Manuferey]

Thank you Vladalex for your information and link.

The sentence "Stab/MAA621 ... moved to Pola in Italy, controlling some independent Italian coastal batteries." does not mean indeed that the Tirpitz battery was moved to Pola. It only refers to the Headquarters ("Stab") which owned no gun and had only personnel.

Emmanuel

[reverse]

Tripitz Battery article from Aedificum was updated. The big shaft was not a 280 mm cannon shaft, but a tobruk or a flak position. The big guns were place on the ground, closer to the railway on the East side.
There is also a Part 2 of the Tirpitz exploration.

[vladalex]

Yes, of course.
Giving the link I suppose that the persons interested will read, Part I and Part II,
and most important, the comments which describes all the history of these enthusiasts
boys who have made a great research work.
This work has explored a wide enough range of seaside and revealed in certain
districts of Constanţa more locations and blockhouses built to defend the city
and the harbour against an invasion force.
More, first picture of one gun of this battery ...
Regards,
VladAlex.

[ROLAND1369]

Excellent site and research on a very unknown and interesting battery. However I must suggest that due to the shape of the shield and the size of the crew the posted picture cannot be the 280 MM of Bty tirpiz but are the 152 MM armstrong guns of the rumanian battery "Tataia". On a previous post a picture was posted purporting to be bty Tirpiz, but even if not it shows the type and configuration of the tirpiz guns.

[vladalex]

Excellent site and research on a very unknown and interesting battery. However I must suggest that due to the shape of the shield and the size of the crew the posted picture cannot be the 280 MM of Bty tirpiz but are the 152 MM armstrong guns of the rumanian battery "Tataia". On a previous post a picture was posted purporting to be bty Tirpiz, but even if not it shows the type and configuration of the tirpiz guns.

Hello ROLAND1369,
Thank you for posting.
After reading your response I make some measurements on the picture .
For the barrel, outside from the shield, of 10m length, corelated with a medium height
of a crew, and with standard height of the observation platform of 15m, the diameter
over all of the barrel at the base (lighter-colored, gray to white) is over 1,2m (of course
with inherent errors), enough to create great doubts about a 6 inch caliber Armstrong gun.
Thank you for the ideea of measuring, pictures elements.
Regards,
VladAlex.

[jopaerya]

Hello All

Here a other picture's from the M.K.B. Tirplitz at Constanza, all from Ebay .

Regards Jos

[vladalex]

... nice pictures !

Regards,
VladAlex

[ROLAND1369]

VladAlex

I do not know if you have this plan but it might help you in your explorations. It shos the mounting of the 280 mm 45 gun simular to BTY Tirpitz. from the photo evidence the berms around the guns were circular at Tirpitz but the concrete for the mount with dimensions should be identical. I would suggest a metal probe to use in the area would be valuable to confirm the gun locations, with the dimensions used to confirm prior to digging.

[reverse]

Unfortunately I'm the only one exploring the site, and I don't have a metal detector, although such a tool would have been very useful. Also, a ground density analyzer would came in handy to find underground bunkers. Some interest from the Army would be helpful, but I doubt that will happen.