Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

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Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby jopaerya » 07 Dec 2008 21:53

Hello All

Does anyone know if all Waffen Prü bunkers had antenna niche's ??

Regards Jos

P.S. In Rudi Rolf books these bunker have extra periscope holes is that correct ??
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Re: Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby AvB » 07 Dec 2008 22:19

What are Waffen Prü bunkers Jos? :)
From the Entwicklungsbericht?
Is this a Unterstand WaKoFest like in the Channel Islands?

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Re: Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby jopaerya » 08 Dec 2008 06:20

Yes

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Re: Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby AvB » 08 Dec 2008 11:38

I'll check my photos from the Channel Islands.
I can remember them having Antenna niches all the time in the entrance.
But also extra ones in the actual entrance near the stairs.
I only saw periscope holes in the part of your drawing.

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Re: Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby ducatim901 » 08 Dec 2008 19:22

The UWaKostand on Biberkopf (Alderney) has a periscopetube in the Gasschleusse.
Just like the 621 of Cap Blanc Nez.
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Re: Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby jopaerya » 08 Dec 2008 19:31

Hi Arthur and Jack

Please look in room 4 also a pericope hole .

Drawing's = Atlantikwall-Typenheft from R.R.

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Re: Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby M19 MADMAL » 08 Dec 2008 21:13

Hi Jos,

I have never seen a periscope fitted into room 4 (Ventilation) in the examples where they are accessable. :o

This is the point where the 1.2m3 air pump is always fixed to the wall so the periscope/air pump would be in the way of each other. In the photo you can see the air pump mountings on the example at Stp. Biberkopf, Alderney.

Seems a bit pointless to mount a periscope at that point as the slope of the bunker roof would restrict a 360 view :?

I love these bunkers :D There are querky differences to the way 600's are constructed locally 8-) like having 2 entrances but also an escape shaft, and no practical form of entrance defence.

I note that the 'Twin group shelter' example is listed as constructed in the Channel Islands! :o

(What is Nr. 29 on the plans???)

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Re: Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby jopaerya » 08 Dec 2008 21:22

Hi Malcolm

29 is store room , do you know if these bunkers on the C.I. have any antenna niche's ??

Regards Jos

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Re: Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby M19 MADMAL » 08 Dec 2008 22:22

Hi Jos,

They have antenna niches on each side of the (main) entrance door into the gas lock. See photo below from bunkersite. I have seen one example on Alderney (Hafen-Süd) that had the antenna etc installed 8-)

Normally a 434P01 would be fitted here and not the 19p7 as in this example on Guernsey.

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Re: Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby AvB » 08 Dec 2008 22:49

M19 MADMAL wrote:I love these bunkers :D There are querky differences to the way 600's are constructed locally 8-) like having 2 entrances but also an escape shaft, and no practical form of entrance defence.


The two 2 entrances actually lead to just one entrance to the bunker.
The whole portal in front could be seen as a covered trench, or a waste of concrete ;)

Jack, couldn't be in the gaslock. Do you mean the portal where it's always is?

Here's a pic of an antenna niche in an U.WaKo of Wn Perleberg, Guernsey.
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Re: Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby M19 MADMAL » 09 Dec 2008 21:13

Hi all,
AvB wrote:I can remember them having Antenna niches all the time in the entrance.
But also extra ones in the actual entrance near the stairs.


Not so with Jersey's U/WaKoFest's :)
Have just checked out the 3 examples where the entrances are open and none of them have extra antenna recesses by the entrance steps to the outside. Only on each side of the 434P01 door leading to the gas lock.

Interestingly the location of 1 of the 11 U/WaKofest's constructed on Jersey is unknown :o

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Re: Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby M19 MADMAL » 09 Dec 2008 21:22

Some more pics showing the Northern U/WaKoFest at Wn. Lewis Tower with a shot of each entrance and also the entrance to the gas lock with antenna recesses on each side of the door way

Looks like the extra antenna recesses are an adaptation on the U/WaKoFest's found on Guernsey (and Alderney?) but was not added to the examples on Jersey :)

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Re: Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby AvB » 09 Dec 2008 23:16

M19 MADMAL wrote:Hi all,
AvB wrote:I can remember them having Antenna niches all the time in the entrance.
But also extra ones in the actual entrance near the stairs.


Not so with Jersey's U/WaKoFest's :)
Have just checked out the 3 examples where the entrances are open and none of them have extra antenna recesses by the entrance steps to the outside. Only on each side of the 434P01 door leading to the gas lock.


I must rephrase my post.

I can remember them having Antenna niches all the time in the entrance.

But some also have extra ones in the actual entrance near the stairs.

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Re: Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby M19 MADMAL » 10 Dec 2008 17:55

Hi AvB,

Thought it might have been a nice extra touch on all the Guernsey examples :wink:

Hope to get the U/WaKoFest at Stp. Corbiere under the wing of the CIOS one day. The photo below shows it after the war with the 606 in the back ground This image was published as a post card :o . There is, already, a partly restored example on Alderney :)

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Re: Waffen Prü. Fest. bunkers

Postby AvB » 11 Dec 2008 14:09

The one at Corbiere has been closed for a long time now?


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