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Kugelstand

Post by jopaerya » 16 Jan 2009 23:08

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Looking on some information about the Kugelstand ( a round concrete bunker of six parts jointed together and a opening on top ) it's looks that the top of this bunker has the same ring as the tobrukstand so all the laffete for the tobruk could also be used for the Kugelstand ?? Any additional information is welcome .

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Re: Kugelstand

Post by Navy » 17 Jan 2009 00:31

They were buildt at a brewery at Potzneusiedl (Village south east of Vienna) and have no ring like a tobruk. Preteded around 1000 pieces are produced.
For correct use they were dig in with the opening on the top. The Kugelbunkers were traps for there users. Some are standig on the ground with opening below and some with the opening on top. This is because there was no time to dig in the Kugelbunkers.
Picture and drawing are made from a Kugelbunker in the Vienna Military Museum (Heersgeschichtliche Museum)

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Re: Kugelstand

Post by jopaerya » 17 Jan 2009 09:13

Thanks Navy

For your information , the Kugelstand in the museum in Vienna looks to be made of four prefab
parts i.s.o. the six prefab parts ( like a football ) as you can see on the photo from Polen ??

Photo = Kurier Szczecinski

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Re: Kugelstand

Post by herring » 18 Jan 2009 19:47

As I'm tracing the subject, there were two types of Kugelbunker:
- a small one - diam. about 1,7m - from Vienna and Slovakia, "thick wall" 10cm,
- and a big one - diam. about 2,0m - found in Rugenwalde , "thin wall" 4 cm.

Big was made in special molds for casting, what gave "football" appearance, small seems to be made in planks framework, what gave a"orange" appearance.

I suppose, that big could be only a prototype (or a series of prototypes). It was intended as a ringstand. Big ones were also tested as LSR-s.

Has anyone found any proof of field use of "big type" kugelbunkers?

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Re: Kugelstand

Post by jopaerya » 18 Jan 2009 21:37

Hello

Here a page from Fortificatie Forum about the transport of Kugelstanden http://www.fortificatieforum.nl/downloa ... &mode=view

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Re: Kugelstand

Post by herring » 19 Jan 2009 09:40

Hello Jos,

Thanks, top drawing is very interesting. I think it's a "big" kugelbunker.
There is a mistake - bottom drawing it's not a kugelbunker, it's OT Stahlunterstand typ Z (mistake origins from "blue book" of R.R.)

Looks, that both drawings origin from a book - anyone knows, what book it is?

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Re: Kugelstand

Post by jopaerya » 19 Jan 2009 14:01

Hello

The page is from the book Ein-Mann-Bunker from Michael Foedrowitz .

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Re: Kugelstand

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 18 Nov 2011 02:12

Hi,

here is a photo of 69P9 found near the Kugelbunker in Darłowo few years ago. Cupola was used for test along with few other ones. Now it's on display in private collection of Mr. Marian Laskowski in Malechowo (quite close to place were was found).

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Re: Kugelstand

Post by TUS » 18 Nov 2011 02:32

WOW 8O 8O
Very nice... What a fat bastard :D
Thanks for sharing Andrzej

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Re: Kugelstand

Post by AvB » 18 Nov 2011 10:31

Wow, any pictures of the Schartes?

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Re: Kugelstand

Post by searay » 18 Nov 2011 14:01

There is a short report on the Kugelstand in the JIOA Final Report #3 on German Underground Installations. Most of this 3-volume report covers large underground factories and tunnels, but for some reason, they threw in a report on the Kugelstand along with several drawings of the construction process. According to the report, the idea was from Architect Laible in Stuttgart but the design work was by Dyckerhoff and Widman based on an OT requirement. The plan was to cast them at 20 plants in Germany, but production only started in April 1945 at a handful of plants. The report indicates that 20-30 were planted along the Swiss frontier.
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Re: Kugelstand

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 18 Nov 2011 16:40

TUS wrote:WOW 8O 8O
Very nice... What a fat bastard :D
Thanks for sharing Andrzej

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I'm glad You like it :milsmile:

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Re: Kugelstand

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 18 Nov 2011 17:10

AvB wrote:Wow, any pictures of the Schartes?
Unfortunelty no: during postwar scrap metal hunting action this turet togehter with some other metal parts were taken over by state agency responsible for cleaning terrain.
Remains of shooting range Rugenwalde that survived are few 'Kugelfangen'+Kugelbunker+1/2 of cupola 69P9 in thicker class.
There exists a nice documentation what exactly was store there but in private hands: I'm pressing my friend to finally publish material on this subject.

Anyway Schiessplatz Rugenwalde seems to be very little known in West & East-I mean details what exactly was there tested. I think future might show us some surprises :idea:

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Re: Kugelstand

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 18 Nov 2011 17:15

some more shell hits and...second bastard :milwink:
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Re: Kugelstand

Post by AvB » 19 Nov 2011 15:13

Wow fantastic! :D

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