Id. old gun

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Id. old gun

Postby Sturm78 » 23 Jan 2009 12:36

Hi all,

Can anyone identify this old gun? According to Ebay this photo was taken during the Second World War 8O .

Image from Ebay.

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Re: Id. old gun

Postby ROLAND1369 » 23 Jan 2009 15:12

It is a French 240MM M1884 L17 german beaute number 24 cm k 556(F)

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Re: Id. old gun

Postby Sturm78 » 24 Jan 2009 09:31

Hi all,

Please can someone help me to identify the guns of the last two photos in this post? I have not had much success in WW1 forum. :(
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=145877.

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Re: Id. old gun

Postby Manuferey » 24 Jan 2009 15:46

ROLAND1369 wrote:It is a French 240MM M1884 L17 german beaute number 24 cm k 556(F)


Yes, it is the 240 mm (L/22.3) Mle 1884/1917 St-Chamond, still used by the French Army in 1940. The original version, 240 mm Mle 1884, was a naval gun used in coastal batteries long before WW2.

The Mle 84/17 was also mounted on the 240 mm Mle 1887/1917 St-Chamond railroad gun. The German "Beutenummer was 24 cm K (E) 556(f) (E = Eisenbahn = railroad]. Interestingly, the German designation carries the same digits.

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Re: Id. old gun

Postby Manuferey » 24 Jan 2009 16:04

Manuferey wrote:
ROLAND1369 wrote:It is a French 240MM M1884 L17 german beaute number 24 cm k 556(F)


Yes, it is the 240 mm Mle 1884/1917 St-Chamond (L/22.3) a.k.a. 24 cm K556(f), still used by the French Army in 1940. The original version, 240 mm Mle 1884, was a naval gun used in coastal batteries long before WW2.

The Mle 84/17 was also mounted on the 240 mm Mle 1887/1917 St-Chamond railroad gun. The German "Beutenummer was 24 cm K (E) 556(f) (E = Eisenbahn = railroad]. Interestingly, the German designation carries the same digits.

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Re: Id. old gun

Postby dimi_labada » 25 Jan 2009 23:31

Hi everybody..
Same gun (barrel to be precise..)?
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Re: Id. old gun

Postby jopaerya » 26 Jan 2009 06:26

Yes Dimi

This is one of the 2 loads of the 240 mm Mle 84/17 .

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Re: Id. old gun

Postby Manuferey » 27 Jan 2009 13:39

Any idea where the first picture could have been taken? Ligne Maginot?

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Re: Id. old gun

Postby SASH155 » 27 Jan 2009 21:51

The official French designation of this gun was "Matériel de 240 Long à tracteur mle. 1884 ou mle. 1884/17 de Bange" and the photo may have been taken in the "zones entre places fortes" about and around the various Maginot works; these guns would have been in batteries in the "réserve générale d'artillerie" facing the German frontier.

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Re: Id. old gun

Postby Sturm78 » 27 Apr 2009 11:04

Hi all,

I found on Ebay this other image of a old french field gun. I think that it could be a 120mm Mle1878 gun but i am not sure. Could someone confirm this?

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Re: Id. old gun

Postby jopaerya » 27 Apr 2009 14:08

Hello Sturm 78

Looking at the wheels ( central block ), also the 155 mm L Mle 1877 could be a option
http://www.fortsteynard.com/bange.htm

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Re: Id. old gun

Postby Sturm78 » 27 Apr 2009 15:58

Hi Jopaerya,

Yes, it is possible. Both guns are very similar.

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Re: Id. old gun

Postby Manuferey » 27 Apr 2009 21:40

It is not a 120 mm as the end of the tube on the breach side does not have a reinforcement.

It's a 155 mm De Bange Mle 77/16 i.e. Mle 77 modified 1916 since the handle is perpendicular to the axis of the tube.

Both the 120 and 155 mm models were still use by the French Army in May 1940 in fortifications in Eastern France.

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Re: Id. old gun

Postby Sturm78 » 20 Jul 2009 13:59

Hi all,

Returning to the 240mm Mle1884 or Mle1917 sur affut a tracteur St. Chamond Mle1916. Anyone have any picture of a carriage trailer? I've seen pictures of this gun in position and dimi_labada posted a photo of barrel trailer but I have never seen any pictures of the carriage trailer in travel position.
I found on Ebay this image of one of these guns abandoned during the assembly process of the weapon (the photo was taken probably during the German offensive of spring 1918, I think).

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Re: Id. old gun

Postby dimi_labada » 20 Jul 2009 20:28

Hi sturm78!
Hope you like those two. No1 is from V.N.Shunkov's book 'Heavy Artillery'. I can't remember the source of the second photo... Hope I'm not 'bothering' someone by posting it here....

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