Id. old gun

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 22 May 2018 19:54

Hi all,

Any idea about these (Russian) guns ??

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by nuyt » 23 May 2018 10:36

You sure they are Soviet guns? Could be Polish or Czechoslovak?

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 23 May 2018 13:34

nuyt wrote
ou sure they are Soviet guns? Could be Polish or Czechoslovak?
Well, I think the tractors are Soviet S-65 so...I guessed the guns were russian....

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by nuyt » 23 May 2018 13:48

Exactly this type of weapon is preserved in Turkey and on the Overvalwagen Forum we called it Schneider 105mm Canon Court 1934...possibly a wartime delivery by Nazi Germany from captured stocks...
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Re: Id. old gun

Post by nuyt » 23 May 2018 13:51

Lithuanian guns captured by teh Soviets then captured by the germans and then delivered to Turkey! Now we found a lead :)

Wiki:
The Canon de 105 court modèle 1934 Schneider was a French howitzer used in World War II. Captured weapons were used by the German Heer as the 10.5 cm leFH 324(f). It was a conservative design by Schneider et Cie. Production was slow with only 144 built by the beginning of the Battle of France. A more advanced 105 mm howitzer design, the Canon de 105 court mle 1935 B, was produced by the State Arsenal at Bourges, and was ordered in larger numbers. 70 105 mm howitzers mod. 1934 Schneider bought by Lithuania (105 mm 1934 m. haubica) in 1937.

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 26 Jun 2018 20:18

Hi all,

Real or fake gun ?? :?

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by T. A. Gardner » 27 Jun 2018 02:24

Looks like a 7.5cm FK 16 n.a. This was a 7.5 cm gun mounted on the older 7.7cm FK 16 developed in 1934 specifically for cavalry units. By 1939 -40 it was obsolescent and as it was unsuited for tractor towing those made got relegated to coast defense positions.

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by na4222 » 27 Jun 2018 08:11

I don't believe the gun to be either the 7.5cm K 16 or the 10.5cm lefh16. If you look closely you will note that the shield structure is different. The barrel also sits higher in the gun pictured then in either of the two guns mentioned above.

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by nuyt » 27 Jun 2018 19:43

Why not a 7,7cm Feldkanone 16 ?
Sturm any info on the picture?

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 27 Jun 2018 20:25

Hi all,

I don´t think 7.7cm FK16. There are many differencies...

Here another image of the same gun:

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by nuyt » 27 Jun 2018 20:48

interesting, thanks!
Could be something Belgian, Cockerill, or just a makeshift gun to test ammo. Munitions factories usually had one.
And the place it is parked in is a bit peculiar, like to put it away for the night safely in the back of the factory.
And a factory worker liked to pose with it.

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Manuferey » 28 Jun 2018 03:03

nuyt wrote:interesting, thanks!
Could be something Belgian, Cockerill, or just a makeshift gun to test ammo. Munitions factories usually had one.
Nuyt,

I don't think a makeshift gun used for testing ammunition would need a large shield, unless you needed the weight to limit the recoil effect, nor would it need the two front seats. :?

The breach looks German (Rheinmetall?) or Czech (Skoda). I suspect it is a prototype of a pre-WW2 10.5 cm howitzer that was never adopted or even a mock-up (the wheels look quite thin). The sighting system has been removed but its cylindrical axis on the left looks identical and at the same position as the ones on the 7.7 cm FK 16 and 10,5 cm FH16. The two handwheels on the left below the above axis are also at the same place as those for the FK16 and FH16. :idea:

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by nuyt » 28 Jun 2018 12:02

Manuferey wrote:
nuyt wrote:interesting, thanks!
Could be something Belgian, Cockerill, or just a makeshift gun to test ammo. Munitions factories usually had one.
Nuyt,

I don't think a makeshift gun used for testing ammunition would need a large shield, unless you needed the weight to limit the recoil effect, nor would it need the two front seats. :?
Allright, good point (unless they received the weapon like this and equally had no wish to modify it).

So we are back to it being a possible Rheinmetall prototype of WW1ish years.The breechblock reminds me of the really square block on the line of 10cm Kanonen. The carriage does not yet ring a bell. Could this be a Rh attempt to update the barrels of the 10 cm Kanone 04, that would eventually end as the 10cm Kanone 17/04?

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by nuyt » 28 Jun 2018 14:29

Or is it the Krupp 10,5cm howitzer test battery used from 1919, prepared for simple mass production in case of new war? See the document where we found the evidence of the Erla. The the site is the Krupp arms factory no 1.
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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 29 Jun 2018 07:52

Few photos of some old guns-ID please.
According to the caption it should be made in Russia.
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