Id. old gun

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Ondrej Filip » 29 Jun 2018 08:19

Andrzej Ditrich wrote:Few photos of some old guns-ID please.
According to the caption it should be made in Russia.
Hi Andrzej - first photo: probably some versions of 15cm Canet coastal guns (could be original by Schneider or Russian licence product). Second photo: Nordenfeld quick firing gun - fortress version (usual weapon for the caponieres of the Russain forts).

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 29 Jun 2018 08:38

Ondrej Filip wrote:
Andrzej Ditrich wrote:Few photos of some old guns-ID please.
According to the caption it should be made in Russia.
Hi Andrzej - first photo: probably some versions of 15cm Canet coastal guns (could be original by Schneider or Russian licence product). Second photo: Nordenfeld quick firing gun - fortress version (usual weapon for the caponieres of the Russain forts).
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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 24 Jul 2018 18:20

Hi all,

Can anyone identify this gun of CVT ?? Obice da 149/12 ?? :?

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 26 Jul 2018 20:01

Nobody ??

Well, here another image from Ebay: 10cm Skoda M14-19 howitzer ??? :?

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 05 Oct 2018 16:50

Nodoby for my two last images ??

Well, here another image from Ebay: Any idea ?
First, I thought an 75mm Schneider M1906 spanish field gun converted to AA gun but now I am not sure.... :?

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 02 Dec 2018 14:12

Hi all,

I am not sure about this bulgarian gun: 7.5cm Krupp M1904 mountain gun ??

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 23 Dec 2018 12:30

Nobody for my last images ?? :(

Well, here another image from Ebay. 10cm Skoda M14-19 howitzer or 7.65cm M17 gun ?? :?


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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 26 Dec 2018 22:13

Hi all,

Any idea about this one ?

Image from the net... :roll:
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Re: Id. old gun

Post by ROLAND1369 » 28 Dec 2018 15:01

My best guess is that this is one of two 150 MM 40 cal guns removed from the Austrian cruiser Kaiserin Elisabeth during the siege of Port Arthur and mounted in a battery between two forts. These guns were specially made for this ship to replace her earlier 240 mm gun. I base this on the presence of a soldier who appears Japanese as well as the statement at the bottom of the page.

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by ROLAND1369 » 28 Dec 2018 19:24

Disregard my previous message. I found myu data and the gun in question does not match the austrian gun. Different recoil system and barrel.

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by ROLAND1369 » 29 Dec 2018 00:42

From examination of the recoil system and gun tube the closest match I can find is a Bethlehem Steel 6 inch. Simular weapons were mounted in the British coastal defenses during WW I. Picture from internet, Shetland Museum site.
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Re: Id. old gun

Post by ROLAND1369 » 29 Dec 2018 01:24

One final comment, the shield would appear to be a naval casemate shield for broadside guns.

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by ROLAND1369 » 30 Dec 2018 01:15

In case no one noticed in my original post I confused Port Arthur and Tsingtao. I really must ease off of the alcohol.

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Statist » 30 Dec 2018 16:51

Sturm78 wrote:
26 Dec 2018 22:13
Hi all,

Any idea about this one ?

Image from the net... :roll:
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This is a simplified battery of the Russian fortress Port Arthur. The battery was built on July 22, 1904, and was located behind Fort No. 2. One 6-inch Armstrong gun was mounted on the battery, but after the first shot the artillery shutter was wedged. The second gun on the battery could not be installed because of its incompleteness.
Most likely these two 6-inch 40-calibers Armstrong guns were produced in 1894 or 1895. Coastal guns were delivered to China, were armed with the fortress of Dagu or the fortress of Beitang. Most likely 1900 the guns were captured by the Russians in the fortress of Beitang (there were two guns at the forts No. 3 and No. 5).
The photo shows a Japanese soldier after the surrender of Port Arthur fortress.

http://ava.telenet.dn.ua/bookshelf/Barm ... ch_01.html

This link contains memories of a russian military engineer who built a battery for Armstrong coastal guns in Port Arthur (text position number 9, picture number 35—37)

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by ROLAND1369 » 01 Jan 2019 20:22

Despite my lack of Russian language knowledge I found the article very informative. However I do not believe the mystery gun in question is not an Armstrong but a Bethlehem produced 152 mm gun. I base this non only on the barrel and recoil system match but also the peculiar construction on the left rear, see circled photos,. The presence of a casemate type small circular shield would indicate the weapon being sourced from a ship. The most likely candidate is the Battleship Retivzan which was built to an American design and armament by Cramp and sons
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