Id. old gun

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by JKernwerk » 14 Apr 2021 18:29

I do not see much (or any) concrete but these kind of guns were at least used at Thionville, Metz, Strassburg, Molsheim but I assume they were used elsewhere.
It looks like a 10cm Schirmlafette.
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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Ondrej Filip » 16 Apr 2021 17:09

Sturm78 wrote:
14 Apr 2021 13:48
Hi all,

Any idea about this gun ?

Image from Ebay
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Hi, Sturm. It really looks like 19th century 10,5 cm gun with armoured "Schirmlafette". That place must be a secondary location, becauase the original German batteries were different (at Strasbourg, feste Kaiser Wilhelm II, Neuf-Brisach, Thorn and Graudenz). The soldiers looks as Germans during WWII. So I guess it could be an ex-German fort "2 Fransecky-Moltke" at Strasbourg, where it was installed by French army as a part of Maginot line. I think it was the only location, where those old but powerful guns were installed before WWII.

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 26 May 2021 20:39

Hi all

According to Ebay photo caption, Fort Mutzig. Could be this artillery piece an 15cm howitzer ? Model ??

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 24 Jun 2021 12:48

Nobody for my ,last image ?

Well, here another image from Ebay. First, I thought in an 21cm Mrs barrel trailer but now I think some details not match.. Any idea ??

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Ondrej Filip » 24 Jun 2021 22:56

Sturm78 wrote:
26 May 2021 20:39
Hi all

According to Ebay photo caption, Fort Mutzig. Could be this artillery piece an 15cm howitzer ? Model ??

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If it is Kaiser Wilhelm II (Mutzig), the turret for 15 cm howitzer is older version H.P.T. 93, not usual H.P.T. 95.

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by ALVF » 25 Jun 2021 07:03

Hello,

The photograph posted yesterday by "Sturm78" shows the barrel of the Krupp 28-cm Haubitze L/12 i.R.
Built as a prototyp in 1912, this 28 cm is manned by the "Schwere Küstenmörser-Batterie Nr 7" and is ready for the war the 27th August 1914.
The gun is photographed there in Chambley, tracted by a "Dampfflug Lokomotive", this gun was used in the shelling of Fort du Camp des Romains in 1914 and later in Verdun.
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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 28 Jun 2021 13:56

Ondrej wrote
If it is Kaiser Wilhelm II (Mutzig), the turret for 15 cm howitzer is older version H.P.T. 93, not usual H.P.T. 95.
Thanks for the answer, Ondrej. Do you have any image of the H.P.T. 95 ?

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 28 Jun 2021 14:10

Guy François wrote
The photograph posted yesterday by "Sturm78" shows the barrel of the Krupp 28-cm Haubitze L/12 i.R.
Built as a prototyp in 1912, this 28 cm is manned by the "Schwere Küstenmörser-Batterie Nr 7" and is ready for the war the 27th August 1914.
The gun is photographed there in Chambley, tracted by a "Dampfflug Lokomotive", this gun was used in the shelling of Fort du Camp des Romains in 1914 and later in Verdun.
Thank you very much for your help, Guy François... :wink:

I have this unidentified image for a long time in my hard disc. Could be the barrel trailer of an 30.5cm Beta Gerat 09 iR ?? or an 28cm Krupp L14 ? :?


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Re: Id. old gun

Post by ALVF » 28 Jun 2021 20:55

Hello,

It is the barrel trailer of 28-cm Haubitze L/14 (Versuchshaubitze Krupp).
This Haubitze armed the "Schwere Küstenmörser-Beta-Batterie Nr.8" in 1914.
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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Sturm78 » 28 Jun 2021 22:29

Guy François wrote
It is the barrel trailer of 28-cm Haubitze L/14 (Versuchshaubitze Krupp).
This Haubitze armed the "Schwere Küstenmörser-Beta-Batterie Nr.8" in 1914.
Yours sincerely
Ummmhhhh.....It is posible that you are right but... 8O ....I have this other barrel trailer identified too as an 28cm Krupp L14 and it is possible to see some differences between both....Which is your opinion about this one?

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Re: Id. old gun

Post by Ondrej Filip » 29 Jun 2021 10:10

Sturm78 wrote:
28 Jun 2021 13:56
Thanks for the answer, Ondrej. Do you have any image of the H.P.T. 95 ?
All the howitzer turrets of Metz fortress are H.P.T. 95. The only place you can see H.P.T. 93 version is Großer Pfaffenberg at Graudenz fortress. Both versions looks the same from the outside, the difference was only in the internal mechanisms.
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Re: Id. old gun

Post by peeved » 29 Jun 2021 10:54

Any thoughts on this fuzzy shot from exp. eBay.de; Auction N:o in pic name.

Emergency AT gun maybe? Uniform looks slightly Franco-Belgian to me.
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Re: Id. old gun

Post by ALVF » 29 Jun 2021 10:57

Hello,

The photograph posted by Sturm78 in post 505 is taken from the "classic" book of Generalleutnant (a.D) Schirmer and, yes, it is the 28-cm H.L/14 Krupp on his trailer.
The photogaph of post 503 shows a different trailer and some points are similar to the trailer of the 28-cm L/12:
28cm L12 .jpg
May be a 28-cm L/14 tube or a 30,5 cm tube on this old trailer?
I have no certitude...
Yours sincerely,
Guy François.
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Re: Id. old gun

Post by ALVF » 29 Jun 2021 11:05

Hello,

The emergency anti-tank gun is a french 37 mm made in clandestineness in 1941 and 1942 in Algeria by french navy arsenals (navy guns in emergency mount). These guns were used in 1942-1943 fights of french Army in Tunisia when the "Armée d'Afrique" entered again in the war against german and italian armies on the Algeria-Tunisia borders.
Yours sincerely,
Guy François.
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Re: Id. old gun

Post by peeved » 29 Jun 2021 11:41

Thank you very much, Mr. François.
Had never heard of such development.
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