Romanian AT gun

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Re: Romanian AT gun

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 12 Oct 2009, 21:22

The helmets don't look Romanian to me, but that is the correct gun.
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Re: Romanian AT gun

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Post by Sturm78 » 12 Oct 2009, 21:32

Hi Jopaerya, The gun is 7.5cm Pak 97/38 and I think that helmets can be Romanians, but are not seen very well

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Re: Romanian AT gun

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Post by Ardee » 13 Oct 2009, 20:12

Yes, definitely Romanian helmets, and I agree it is a 97/38. Nice find. Now, if somebody has a nice photo of Romanians actually firing a Pak 38, I'd be interested in seeing that too - I've got a photo of them "sitting around" on the gun trails, but not an action shot!

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Re: Romanian AT gun

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 13 Oct 2009, 20:59

Have you guys looked at the helmets in the first pic and then the ones in the 97/38 pic ? They are nothing alike.
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Re: Romanian AT gun

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Post by Ardee » 14 Oct 2009, 01:10

Alanmccoubrey wrote:Have you guys looked at the helmets in the first pic and then the ones in the 97/38 pic ? They are nothing alike.
Hi Alan,

The difference you're seeing is the simply perspective: in the first photo, you're seeing (most) things from the front, in the second, from the side and rear. In the first photo, a soldier with his back to the camera has the helmet washed out by too much light, but they are the same. If you look here, you can see pictures of Romanian soldiers - and their head gear -- from several angles:
http://www.worldwar2.ro/media/?article=366

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Re: Romanian AT gun

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Post by The Edge » 14 Oct 2009, 09:09

Romanian 47mm Schneider M.36 guns have interesting feature - its wheels, which were made of pressed steel, can be rotated with the trail legs and "toed-in" when the gun was in action to provide more cover for the crew (in same fashion as French Mle 1935 B howitzer).
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Re: Romanian AT gun

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Post by Ardee » 14 Oct 2009, 21:43

The Edge wrote:Romanian 47mm Schneider M.36 guns have interesting feature - its wheels, which were made of pressed steel, can be rotated with the trail legs and "toed-in" when the gun was in action to provide more cover for the crew (in same fashion as French Mle 1935 B howitzer).
Hi Edge --

at the risk of straying off topic, I have seen several photos of a Japanese 37mm ATG - I believe it was the Type 97, but won't swear to it -- in which the wheels seemed to be canted, though not to the same degree as the above. I haven't found anything in any literature which mentions such an ability. Do you know anything about whether the Japanese mimicked this use of steel wheels?

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Re: Romanian AT gun

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Post by Manuferey » 15 Oct 2009, 02:06

The feature of spreading the wheels to provide additional shielding can also be found on the following guns:
- 40 mm Arellano during the Spanish civil war (see "artilleria de acompañamiento" in http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerzas/ ... lleria.htm)
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- 37/70 mm Skoda (see http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5&t=152566)

The Skoda gun is older (around 1930) so Schneider may have used the idea for its 47 mm Mle 36 AT gun.

But the concept itself already existed during WW1:

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Re: Romanian AT gun

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Post by The Edge » 15 Oct 2009, 09:04

:D Last photo shows Krupp 65mm "Balonabwehrkanone" (1908), a "younger brother" of BaK-75 gun I was talking in http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 2&t=158847 . (Btw, thanks for posting it :D )

There is one principal difference in this, pre-WWI AA gun, and other types mentioned - Krupp BaK-65 rotate its wheels (spoked wood ones) to enable 360-degree horizontal field of fire (Rear end of box-trail serves as rotational axis). Later models (pressed steel wheels) rotate its wheels to give crew additional (only one in Spanish) protection - horizontal field of fire is provided by gun mount traverse.

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Re: Romanian AT gun

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Post by jopaerya » 14 Mar 2011, 21:56

Hello

I don't know if this is a Romanian AT gun , but it's the 4.7 cm Schneider Mle 36 . Photo is from Ebay .

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Re: Romanian AT gun

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Post by ain92 » 03 Nov 2013, 20:47

47 mm M1936, isn't it?
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