Id. hungarian artillery

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Id. hungarian artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 05 Mar 2009 20:53

Hi all,

I have for some time these nice colour photos without identifying on my hard drive. Can anyone identify this pieces of artillery?
The images were taken in September 11, 1940 during a parade of Hungarian Army.
Image from http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3458

The first photo show a barrel trailer with solid rubber tyred wheels being towed by Pavesi tractor. What model? :?
The second photo show a horse drawn howitzer or gun with limber. What model? :?

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Post by dimi_labada » 08 Mar 2009 02:00

Hello everyone...
IMHO,
the first one is a the barrel of a 21 cm haubits 39.M / Obice da 210/22 modello 35 made by Ansaldo (modified ?)
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the second is a "10 cm let felthaubits 14/a.M or 14./b.M" / 10 cm light field howitzer m1914 made by Škoda, towed by a 28.M Pavesi P4 tractor
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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by AvB » 08 Mar 2009 10:22

Are they wearing ww1 Austrian-Hungarian uniform and equipment?
Looks very dated!

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Post by Sturm78 » 09 Mar 2009 12:26

Thanks for your reply Dimitris.

I think however that you are wrong about the first photo. I put a picture of a Hungarian Ansaldo 210mm Model 1935 howitzer barrel trailer so you can compare. They are very different!! :?
I think that my photo shows a barrel trailer of WW1-era weapon, modernized with new solid rubber tyred wheels. :?

Another question: What are the differences between the original Skoda 10cm M14 howitzer and 10cm let felthaubits 14/a.M or 14./b.M? I guess these are two upgraded versions of original Skoda M14 howitzer but I can not see any "modernization". Have anyone more information about these weapons?

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by The Edge » 10 Mar 2009 12:55

I think that first photo shows the barrel/breech assembly of 15-cm 31M howitzer (Bofors license, L/24).
Wheels of barrel trolley are the same style as seen on 31M ordnance (howitzer carriage wheel are just wider) and interupted-screw breech is quite a rare item on Hungarian artillery.

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Post by Sturm78 » 11 Mar 2009 11:23

Hi The Edge,

It is possible that you are right, but I still have some doubts. The wheels are very similar to the Bofors designs of the 1930s but this barrel trailer has some archaic features as the seats at the front, typical of trailers pulled by horses of WW1-era. I am surprised that a Bofors design of the 30s still have these seats. :?

Have anyone any other photo of 15cm or 10.5cm Bofors 31M in service with the Hungarian army?, to compare.

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Post by The Edge » 11 Mar 2009 13:09

Here is one in Belgrade Military Museum: :)
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Post by Sturm78 » 11 Mar 2009 19:21

Hi The Edge,

Thank you very much for yor photos. How did this weapon come to Belgrade Military Museum? The Yugoslavian army never had this gun.
The length of the tube and the breech seem too similar. Everything indicates that it is the Bofors howitzer but.....It is difficult to ensure 100%.

Have anyone any wartime picture of this weapon in Hungarian service?

Greetings.

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Post by dimi_labada » 12 Mar 2009 00:20

Yeah you're right! :oops: Thanks for the correction!!!
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Post by The Edge » 12 Mar 2009 09:25

Sturm78 wrote: How did this weapon come to Belgrade Military Museum? The Yugoslavian army never had this gun.
The length of the tube and the breech seem too similar.

80% of artillery in museum are either captured from enemy or received by allies. Since there are a lot of guns originally held by Hungary & Romania, I suspect these guns were given to Yugoslav Communist Regime by Soviet Union in 1945-46 (from their war booty; for example, Yugoslavia was the biggest post-WWII user of 8.8-cm Flak 36/37s because of these donations)
Sturm78 wrote: Have anyone any wartime picture of this weapon in Hungarian service?

I would like to have any, too. :)

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 18 Apr 2009 19:04

Hi all,

I found a wartime picture of 15cm Bofors howitzer .... in this forum!!! :lol: :lol: . See viewtopic.php?f=33&t=113632.

The picture shows two 15cm Bofors howitzers in firing position in service with Thai Army during WWII. The photo does not clarify the initial question but it is a good picture of a little known weapon.

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 04 May 2009 14:28

Hi all,

Well, at last I found a picture of a Bofors 15cm howitzer barrel trailer :D, although it has not high quality :( . I'm still not sure if the original color photo with barrel trailer being towed by Pavesi tractor shows a Bofors 15cm howitzer 31M barrel trailer or no. :? :?

There are some clear differences: in the last picture the wheels seemed more narrow, not seat at the the front of trailer and no spades. However, the Hungarian model is of 1931 and the Swedish model is of 1938-39 years and it is possible that existed some differences. A difficult question :| Any idea?

Image from http://www.chakoten.dk/cgi-bin/fm.cgi?n=370

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by Stan P » 04 Jan 2010 23:00

Hi Sturm78 !
Keep smiling!

Small drawing of Bofors guns in Hungarian Army http://www.juniorgeneral.org/donated/20 ... 5/hun2.png by Clive :D ... but without trailer :(

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 30 Oct 2011 11:52

Hi all,

Here, another image from Ebay of this trailer. Probably, a 15cm Bofors 31.M barrel trailer.
It is a pity that from this angle we can not see the barrel.

Has anyone found any other wartime pictures of the 15cm Bofors 31.M hungarian howitzer?

The image was posted by George on The Ron Klages Panzers & other vehicles Section
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... i#p1640573

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 02 Jan 2012 21:41

Hi all,

Can somebody identify this artillery piece?
I think 80mm Bofors 29M AA gun but I amo not sure

Image from http://www.wwiiincolor.com
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