They looks like Czechoslovak soldiers in ex-Austro-Hungarian helmets.
Id. hungarian artillery
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Ummmhhhh...I think the Czechoslovak Army did not have or, at least not used, any 30.5cm Skoda M11 howitzers during 1920-30s...Ondrej Filip wrote
They looks like Czechoslovak soldiers in ex-Austro-Hungarian helmets.
Only 30.5cm Skoda M16
Sturm78
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Hi all,
I found this image on Getty archive webpage, I am not 100% sure but I would say this gun in an very rare Hungarian 10,5cm 40M howitzer...
A pity the horse hide the muzzle break of the gun....
Sturm78
I found this image on Getty archive webpage, I am not 100% sure but I would say this gun in an very rare Hungarian 10,5cm 40M howitzer...
A pity the horse hide the muzzle break of the gun....
Sturm78
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Are these German soldiers? Hard to tell.
Thanks.
Nezar
Thanks.
Nezar
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Hi Nezar,
According to photo caption, Hungarians...
Sturm78
According to photo caption, Hungarians...
Sturm78
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Can you ID the guns behind the Pak 40?
They look identical to the 42M 10,5 cm light howitzer, but all sources claim it never entered production.
The only kown factory photo of the 42M shows a similar gun on a split tail carriage, but MÁVAG redesigned it to a one piece carriage in 1943.
Photo source: Fortepan
Adam
They look identical to the 42M 10,5 cm light howitzer, but all sources claim it never entered production.
The only kown factory photo of the 42M shows a similar gun on a split tail carriage, but MÁVAG redesigned it to a one piece carriage in 1943.
Photo source: Fortepan
Adam
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A very interesting image, romsitsa !!
The only image that I have never seen of an 10.5cm 42M howitzer show a split trail carriage.
I unknow if this howitzer was redesigned with a different carriage neither if this howitzer entered in production or not....This image seems to show that it was produced in series since at least 4 of these pieces appear in the photo...
In any case the box carriage seems a step back in the design....
Sturm78
The only image that I have never seen of an 10.5cm 42M howitzer show a split trail carriage.
I unknow if this howitzer was redesigned with a different carriage neither if this howitzer entered in production or not....This image seems to show that it was produced in series since at least 4 of these pieces appear in the photo...
In any case the box carriage seems a step back in the design....
Sturm78
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Hello Sturm, the picture, you mentioned, shows the 42M from the back with the barrel elevated, gun being painted in one color?
Edited:
The 42M was designed by Mávag as a superior (muzzle velocity and effective range), machine towed replacement for the 40M howitzer. The army declined it as they saw no realistic chance to fully upgrade artillery units to machine tow, so a heavier gun wasn’t needed.
For a horse drawn solution the 40M was perfectly suitable and mechanised units were equipped by relocating existing 37M howitzers.
In 1943 Mávag redesigned the 42M to cut its weight so making it suitable for both machine and horse tow.
In the meantime majority of the 37M howitzers were lost with the 2nd army, so the high command decided that the redesigned 42M should enter production. Drawings were finished and machines were already set up when the German occupation halted all field gun production, so in theory no 42M howitzer was produced.
Adam
Edited:
The 42M was designed by Mávag as a superior (muzzle velocity and effective range), machine towed replacement for the 40M howitzer. The army declined it as they saw no realistic chance to fully upgrade artillery units to machine tow, so a heavier gun wasn’t needed.
For a horse drawn solution the 40M was perfectly suitable and mechanised units were equipped by relocating existing 37M howitzers.
In 1943 Mávag redesigned the 42M to cut its weight so making it suitable for both machine and horse tow.
In the meantime majority of the 37M howitzers were lost with the 2nd army, so the high command decided that the redesigned 42M should enter production. Drawings were finished and machines were already set up when the German occupation halted all field gun production, so in theory no 42M howitzer was produced.
Adam
Last edited by romsitsa on 11 Jul 2019, 21:05, edited 1 time in total.
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Pulled from the swamp of the internet:
It can’t be anything else than the 42M, so at least four were made.
Adam
It can’t be anything else than the 42M, so at least four were made.
Adam
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Thanks for the information and the new image, romsitsa
In any case the 37M howitzer was of split trail design and could be towed by horses without any problem ....
Sturm78
In any case the 37M howitzer was of split trail design and could be towed by horses without any problem ....
Sturm78
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Hi all,
I asked about this question here on 01 Aug 2018 but I didn't find an answer.
Does anyone know if this photo was taken during World War I or during the interwar period / World War II ?
I am not expert on uniforms or helmets....
Sturm78
I asked about this question here on 01 Aug 2018 but I didn't find an answer.
Does anyone know if this photo was taken during World War I or during the interwar period / World War II ?
I am not expert on uniforms or helmets....
Sturm78
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The helmets they are wearing do not look like ww1. Some sites claim the hungarians copied the german 1935 helmet and produced it as m38 helmet.
Even if the soldiers are german the helmet looks at least like the 1935 model.
You need to find someone to ID the helmets for a timeframe suggestion.
Even if the soldiers are german the helmet looks at least like the 1935 model.
You need to find someone to ID the helmets for a timeframe suggestion.
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They appear to be Hungarian gunners, they gas mask cases and the leggings are typical Hungarian.
Clive
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Thanks for your answers, Denniss and Clive.
Do you know if the Hungarians used these heavy howitzers during WW2 against Russia ?
Sturm78
Do you know if the Hungarians used these heavy howitzers during WW2 against Russia ?
Sturm78