Id. hungarian artillery

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by Ondrej Filip » 01 Aug 2018 22:51

Sturm78 wrote:
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Hi all,

Are the soldiers of this Ebay image Hungarians ou Austro-Hungarians ??

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They looks like Czechoslovak soldiers in ex-Austro-Hungarian helmets.

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 02 Aug 2018 14:39

Ondrej Filip wrote
They looks like Czechoslovak soldiers in ex-Austro-Hungarian helmets.
Ummmhhhh...I think the Czechoslovak Army did not have or, at least not used, any 30.5cm Skoda M11 howitzers during 1920-30s...
Only 30.5cm Skoda M16

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 25 May 2019 15:48

Hi all,

I found this image on Getty archive webpage, I am not 100% sure but I would say this gun in an very rare Hungarian 10,5cm 40M howitzer...
A pity the horse hide the muzzle break of the gun....

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by na4222 » 25 May 2019 20:25

Are these German soldiers? Hard to tell.

Thanks.
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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 26 May 2019 13:59

Hi Nezar,

According to photo caption, Hungarians...

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by romsitsa » 10 Jul 2019 09:54

Sturm78 wrote:
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Hi all,

Here, another image of 4cm 40M AT guns. Note the curious limbers.... 8O

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Hello Sturm, it's a TaK or 37 mm Pak, the 40 mm was designed for vehicle towing, so limber and gun had rubber tyres, also the gun shield was different.

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by romsitsa » 10 Jul 2019 10:17

Can you ID the guns behind the Pak 40?
They look identical to the 42M 10,5 cm light howitzer, but all sources claim it never entered production.

The only kown factory photo of the 42M shows a similar gun on a split tail carriage, but MÁVAG redesigned it to a one piece carriage in 1943.
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Photo source: Fortepan

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 10 Jul 2019 20:31

A very interesting image, romsitsa !!

The only image that I have never seen of an 10.5cm 42M howitzer show a split trail carriage.
I unknow if this howitzer was redesigned with a different carriage neither if this howitzer entered in production or not....This image seems to show that it was produced in series since at least 4 of these pieces appear in the photo...

In any case the box carriage seems a step back in the design.... :?

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by romsitsa » 10 Jul 2019 22:24

Hello Sturm, the picture, you mentioned, shows the 42M from the back with the barrel elevated, gun being painted in one color?
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The 42M was designed by Mávag as a superior (muzzle velocity and effective range), machine towed replacement for the 40M howitzer. The army declined it as they saw no realistic chance to fully upgrade artillery units to machine tow, so a heavier gun wasn’t needed.
For a horse drawn solution the 40M was perfectly suitable and mechanised units were equipped by relocating existing 37M howitzers.
In 1943 Mávag redesigned the 42M to cut its weight so making it suitable for both machine and horse tow.
In the meantime majority of the 37M howitzers were lost with the 2nd army, so the high command decided that the redesigned 42M should enter production. Drawings were finished and machines were already set up when the German occupation halted all field gun production, so in theory no 42M howitzer was produced.

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by romsitsa » 11 Jul 2019 17:02

Pulled from the swamp of the internet:
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It can’t be anything else than the 42M, so at least four were made.

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Re: Id. hungarian artillery

Post by Sturm78 » 14 Jul 2019 15:10

Thanks for the information and the new image, romsitsa

In any case the 37M howitzer was of split trail design and could be towed by horses without any problem .... :?

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