Late Flak 8,8 cm pictures

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Late Flak 8,8 cm pictures

Post by Sam B » 23 Apr 2009 18:37

Hello,

Please post your Late Flak 8,8 cm gun pictures. These have the stationary base & the non folding cruxiform legs. Here's a picture to get it started.

flak88.jpg
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Re: Late Flak 88 pictures

Post by jopaerya » 23 Apr 2009 19:00

Hi

I don't know for sure but here a photo from a 8.8 cm without folding legs .

Photo = Ebay.de

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Re: Late Flak 8,8 cm pictures

Post by Sturm78 » 23 Apr 2009 19:59

Hi Sam B,

"I had never seen pictures of a late 8.8cm Flak with a stationary base and without the typical folding cruciform legs.
The trailer was the same Sd.Ah. 202 of 8.8 cm Flak36-37 or another?
There is something I do not understand: For what to make a static version of the 8.8 cm Flak and then put it on a trailer to move it if there was already a mobile version?" See viewtopic.php?f=47&t=152254


Well, I had not thought of that possibility. 8O

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Re: Late Flak 88 pictures

Post by Bill 13 » 30 Apr 2009 20:02

Day All
Posted to a web page for a few days a couple of pictures of both emplaced and in transit .
Page subject to removal early as I can not state sources on all..... :|
http://members.shaw.ca/morrab/88.html
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Re: Late Flak 88 pictures

Post by s.pak » 01 May 2009 13:37

There is something I do not understand: For what to make a static version of the 8.8cm Flak and then put it on a trailer to move it if there was already a mobile version?"


simply because when the armies move back they try to recover their static material, the Behfeleslafette was created for that.

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Re: Late Flak 88 pictures

Post by Sturm78 » 06 Jun 2009 14:07

Hi all,

A photo and a question more: Was the trailer to carry the static version of the 8.8cm Flak same as the 8.8cm Flak 36-37 (Sd.Ah. 202) ?
I think not. Had any specific name?

Source: Web (I do not remember)

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Re: Late Flak 88 pictures

Post by Grzesio » 06 Jun 2009 22:15

Yes, it had - Sd.Ah. 204. It basically looks like the 202, but has single wheels and no cable reels. I cannot remember any converted static gun on the Sd.Ah. 202, all I've seen were on the 204.
But for me, the most interesting thing in many of these converted ortsfest guns (e.g. in the last picture) is their fuse setter. A very simple device for one horizontally placed cartridge, not the usual bulky Zünderstellmaschine 37.

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PS By the way, Jopaerya's picture does not show a converted gun. It's a usual static gun in travelling configuration on the Fahrgerüst für schwere Flak carriage.

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Re: Late Flak 88 pictures

Post by jopaerya » 07 Jun 2009 09:35

Hi Grzesio

Thanks for that interesting information a Fahrgerüst für schwere Flak , I allways wondered were the 2 short steel U beams on the gun mount were for , but that should be the reason to fix on both sides the Fahrgerüst für schwere Flak on this way they could placed and lower the gun in the emplacement on the bolds .
The mount for the 12,8 cm Flak 40 M has also these short steel U beams for the Fahrgerüst für schwere Flak .

Photo = Erik Ettrup

Regards Jos

P.S. on the photo left beside the red circle the other steel U beam on the other side .
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Re: Late Flak 88 pictures

Post by Sturm78 » 07 Jun 2009 09:53

Thanks for your information, Grzesio. :D

According to this link http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_ ... ilers.html

the Sd.Ah. 204 was used to tow the 5cm Flak 41, the 200cm Flaksheinwerfer, the Maschinensatz 125V 60kW and the Sperrballonwinde. Do not mention anything about the static version of the 8.8cm Flak but .... it may be an oversight.

Could the Sd.Ah. 204 support the weight of a 8.8cm static Flak (4985kg less the weight of folding legs)? 8O
The 5cm Flak 41 weighed 3100kg.

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Re: Late Flak 88 pictures

Post by Grzesio » 08 Jun 2009 09:54

Sd.Ah. 204 had 4500 kg capacity, so it could obviously take a, 8,8 cm Flak 37/2 in a slightly overloaded status. :) I do not know the capacity of the Sd.Ah. 206.
Sadly, I cannot remember the weight of the static 8,8 cm Flak L/56 at the moment - but I've found it somewhere.
Such a complete Behelfslafettenkreuz of a converted static 8,8 cm Flak, together with one trailer bogie was found in Poland in 2004 - one just has to weight it. :D

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Re: Late Flak 88 pictures

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 09 Jun 2009 12:29

Hi Grzesio and All,

You mean the one discovered n.Gdańsk? now presented in museum in Hel?

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Re: Late Flak 88 pictures

Post by Grzesio » 09 Jun 2009 14:39

Yep, the one from Zarnowiec (but it can be hardly called "near Gdansk" ;) ).

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Re: Late Flak 88 pictures

Post by ReichExplorer » 09 Jun 2009 19:27

The few pics that I have... :D

88mm_Flak36_2.jpg


88mm_Flak36_1.jpg


Lancresse-flak.jpg
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Re: Late Flak 88 pictures

Post by ReichExplorer » 09 Jun 2009 19:28

cont...

88mm_Flak36_4.jpg
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Re: Late Flak 88 pictures

Post by Sturm78 » 30 Jun 2009 20:49

Hi all,

I found these three photos on Ebay with the static version of the 8.8cm Flak37.

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