Help to identify a German fortress

[Konstantin]

Good afternoon, colleagues! Help to identify a German fortress during the Second World War. Location - Kramatorsk, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. Year built - 1942.From the story of local people participated in the battles for the city Kramatorsk in 1943, it has been machine-gun fire. Then it was much higher, it covered the land during construction of the road. External dimensions - 5 meters by 5 meters. Internal size - 3 meters by 3 meters. Embrasure - 4 pcs.Dear colleagues, that is probably the standard construction, it would be interesting to know its type. There is still somewhere similar facilities? Thank you.

[jopaerya]

Hello Konstantin

I have seen a few of those M.G. Schartenstanden in France and Norway but not allways with 4 embrasure's
mostly 3 and the entrance in back side , do you know were the entrance was in your bunker ?

Regards Jos

[herring]

Hello Konstantin,

If it is a standard construction, it's plans haven't been found yet. It looks like a structure designed on a low level of german army, what makes it even more interesting for me.

Are there any more similar bunkers around? It looks like it's build on a slope of river valley. Are there any other bunkers in this valley? It might be a reinforcement of field fortifications line.

In Isjum (or Izjum), what seems to be not very far away from your city , there were located Panzernests. Maybe it's from this same fortification line?

Can you make a measurments of this bunker, especially inside?

best regards
herring

[Konstantin]

Hello Konstantin

I have seen a few of those M.G. Schartenstanden in France and Norway but not allways with 4 embrasure's
mostly 3 and the entrance in back side , do you know were the entrance was in your bunker ?

Regards Jos

Hello, Regards Jos !
Please forgive me for not correct English. Thank you for your message. It is very valuable to me.
Entrance to the fortress is situated on the side, which borders the road. But he covered the land during construction of the road.That opening, which can be seen in the photograph is a break in a brick structure. It was already immediately after the war, perhaps it is the result of the shelling.
I ask you, if you saw such a facility, indicate where. I would be very grateful if you could publish the photo.
Dear colleague, I have difficulties with the translation of the word Schartenstanden. This is probably the point of machine-gun fire?

Best regards. Кonstantin.

[Konstantin]

Hello, herring!
I am sorry for my english language is not the quality. Here is a recent photo of the object.



Give photos of the object with the participants to demonstrate the dimensions of the search facilities.


Here, through this breach in the masonry foundation, we barely-barely penetrated the interior.By the way, stories of local residents, this gap presumably the same age fighting. At least in 1945, he was sure.


Various forms of junk and debris inside the lower than anticipated.


Inside the stand at full height. My growth 178 cm


It turned out that the embrasure all four sides are equipped with reinforced concrete shell. Only two land covered in the construction of the road.




Here is the current embrasure.




In the corner buildings, which covered the ground outside, found the course that leads down the right and left. Fairly covered the ground. I suppose that this was the entrance.Local residents about the sign could not remember saying that it penetrated through the gap and a lot of shell casings lie.





The upper part of buildings damaged, visible valves 12 mm in diameter.



The results of the measurements.
Reinforced cap. External dimensions - 5100 to 5100 mm. Internal dimensions - 3000 to 3000 mm. The outer side of the size - 5100 to 900 mm. The inner side of the size - 3000 to 450 mm. External dimensions embrasure - 2800 by 350 mm. Internal size embrasure - 400 to 200 mm.Ambrazurnyh benches - 5 pc. Location embrasure on the side - symmetry. Inside the dome height - 750 mm.
Reason. issue - a red brick building. Internal dimensions - 3000 to 3000 mm. External dimensions - 4500 to 4500 mm. Height -? The width of the progress of messages - 870 mm.
Do not have time yet to comply with the construction drawings. Only - publish here.
To date, the searches I had found the location of 4 of the German long-term firing points in the city of Kramatorsk. Only one of them whole, and the rest destroyed irreversibly by the construction of the city.But I am continuing the search, the results are sure to be aware in this forum. Very bad that it is not kept any records, charts and maps of the German defense of the city in 1943. Perhaps they are in the Russian archives, but they are not available to me.I would be very grateful to colleagues from Europe, if they have assisted. I am especially interested in the type and description of the facility, which is represented in the photographs.
City Izjum Kramatorsk of the city is at a distance of 80 km. Panzernests - this is probably machine-gun nests, protected by armor cap? No information about the location of such facilities in the city I do not have. But this is very interesting. But if you have any information, and allow them to think, I would be happy to do so.
Actually, sadly, the majority of the German fortifications had been destroyed by the authorities after the war. For different reasons. Left very little of such exhibits. If you are interested in information about the battles in our area, ask questions. If you can, be glad to answer.
Best regards.Кonstantin.

[Konstantin]

Hello Konstantin,
In Isjum (or Izjum), what seems to be not very far away from your city , there were located Panzernests. Maybe it's from this same fortification line?

Hello, herring!
Do you have any more precise information on the location Panzernest of Izjum? Perhaps card line of defense? The point is that if this building was filled land, it could survive so far. Though not large, but there is a chance.
Here Panzernest in the old cemetery, but it is not Ukraine, and the town of Borisov, Belarus.



And this is the same Panzernest, but dug out of the land and moved to the museum «Stalin's Line».





Best regards.
Konstantin.