I need help to Id mortar

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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by SASH155 » 18 Aug 2010 14:29

Sturm, I will look at all the photos I have of mortars based on the 81mm Mle. 1927/31 Stokes-Brandt type that I have to try to come up with a match. The barrel looks like that of the Soviet 82mm "PM-36" or "PM-37" due to its machined muzzle reinforce. However, the bipod, yoke, elevation crank, and baseplate are not a match for these weapons. I would look for photos of Stokes-Brandt types used by the smaller powers such as Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Netherlands etc... to try to find a match. I also do not believe it is an Italian "Mortaio da 81mm Stokes-Brandt M-1935".

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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Sep 2010 11:32

Hi all,

Can somebody identify this mortar?

Image from Ebay
Thnaks in advance. Sturm78
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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by SASH155 » 17 Sep 2010 20:09

This mortar is a 10cm (105mm) sNbW-35/sGW-35 (I think that at least one of those is the correct designation). Note the caliber of the bore, which is larger than that of the much more common and more widely employed 8cm (81mm) sGW-34.

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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by Sturm78 » 18 Sep 2010 14:55

Hi SASH155.

Are you sure about 10cm Nb.Wf.35? :?
Have you any other image to compare?

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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by Sturm78 » 19 Sep 2010 21:26

Hi all,

Image from Ebay: I think 50mm PM-38 or PM-39 Russian mortars. Can somebody confirm this?

Regards Sturm78
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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by JTV » 21 Sep 2010 04:39

Sturm78 wrote: Image from Ebay: I think 50mm PM-38 or PM-39 Russian mortars. Can somebody confirm this?
Correct, they seem to be 50 PM 39.

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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by SASH155 » 21 Sep 2010 17:20

Sturm, yes, I say so primarily because of the caliber of the barrel and the details of the bipod, such as the elevation knobs, yoke, recoil cylinders etc., the use of sandbags to steady the weapon, and the dug in baseplate, practices more in line with heavy mortars. Also the bomb the soldier is holding looks larger and heavier than the 8cm bomb.

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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by ROLAND1369 » 21 Sep 2010 20:06

For my money I would say this is the german 8Cm grw 42, which was a shortened version of the standard 8CM version.se attached picture. Source "Catalog of Enemy Ordinance(German) Volume 1 pg 114e1 us wardepartment[attachment=0]8CMG42.JPG[/attachment]
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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by SASH155 » 21 Sep 2010 21:14

The weapon in this photo just does not match the one in the earlier photo. Look carefully at the size of the tube of the 10cm mortar in relation to the soldiers and the barrel of this small mortar, and the form of the bipod of the larger mortar, which is far more substantial in construction. The 8cm GrW-42 was a fairly small mortar, and was really designed to replace the smaller and ineffectual 5cm lGW-36 in service.

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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by Sturm78 » 23 Sep 2010 14:45

Hi SASH155. It is difficult to ensure. Have you any other image of 10cm NbW-35?

Regards Sturm78.

PD: Thanks, Jarkko, for your help with russian mortars.

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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by jopaerya » 23 Sep 2010 15:25

Hello

I also think that the first mortar picture from Sturm78 is a 10 Nebelwerfer 35 because
you can see in the background the special containers for the mortar rounds .

Here a picture from what I think is a 10 cm Nb.W. 35 and a photo from the container ,
from what I have seen the 8 cm rounds were carried in metal ammo boxes with 3
rounds .

Photo = Ebay.de

Regards Jos
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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by SASH155 » 23 Sep 2010 15:34

In this view note again the recoil cylinders, size of the ordnance and the bomb, the heavy construction of the bipod, the way the base plate is dug in, and another deatil I did not mention: the form of the elevation and traverse wheels and cranks, which differ from those of the 8cm sGW-34. Essentially the 10cm NbW-35 was an enlarged version of the earlier 8cm mortar, which was itself a German unlicensed close copy of the Hotchkiss/Brandt 81mm mle. 1927/31 mortar, a weapon which was copied and built by many countries.

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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by Sturm78 » 24 Sep 2010 09:36

It seems that you're right, SASH155.

The angle of my photo makes it look like the mortar tube shorter than actually it is. The containers of ammunition in the background seem to clear any doubts. (Thanks for your images, Jopaerya)

In any case, any new photos of this mortar will be welcome.

Regards Sturm78

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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by Sturm78 » 02 Jan 2011 20:06

Hi all,

Can anybody identify these two mortars?

Images from Ebay
Thank in advance. Sturm78
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Re: I need help to Id mortar

Post by SASH155 » 02 Jan 2011 22:27

Top weapon is the Soviet 120mm M-1938 (HM-38), or possibly the 107mm M-1938, as these two mortars were identical in appearance. The bomb looks smaller than a 120mm bomb, which makes me think it could be the latter weapon. Bottom is a 60mm M-1935 Brandt; the soldier may be a Romanian. Apparently Romania manufactured licensed copies of 60mm Brandt M-1935 mortars.
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