German fortification in Ukraine

[Natter]

These beacons are located on the top of the southern and northern breakwaters Mariupol port. Work so far and represent shots on target. Depth there is extremely small, the warships will not just boats. That's probably all for today. All is not clear, but I'm sure - will be clarified. The only pity is that this border area - go there to inspect buildings is difficult.

I'm always looking for anything related torpedoes and other underwaterweapons, so the possibility of a yet unknown german torpedobattery and/or controllable minefield is worth exploring... Although these photos might give an apperance of possible torpedotubes, I have no idea of the dimensions of the construction, so most likely "wishful thining": Is the purpose of the openings verified in any way (for example ports for MG or guns)?

[Konstantin]

Hello,

It was found two previously unknown photos of German fortifications in Kramatorsk (Ukraine). It was destroyed in about 1954. Help identify. Perhaps vsrechalos anything like that?





Best regards.
Konstantin.

[moonraker]

hello konstantin
it looks like a Vf3 ?

Me belfra-team

[Konstantin]

hello konstantin
it looks like a Vf3 ?

Me belfra-team

No, it's not Vf3. Although very similar. It may be another version?

[herring]

In Poland we don't have similar objects.

[Konstantin]

Hi,

Shatsky Lakes, Volyn, Ukraine. August 23, 2016. We have them all the same discovered and examined - German Ringstände Vf.58c






Ringstände №2


Ringstände №2


Ringstände №4


Ringstände №4

Ringstände №2,3,4 are located in the village of Zatishe. Object №3 is located on private property, adjusted for household needs, and we did not managed to explore.

Best regards.
Konstantin.

[Konstantin]

In Ukraine, it is the only place where you can see Ringstände - Shatsky Lakes. Colleagues, I would be very grateful if you help me figure out here in these details:

1. What is meant here is that barrier, so this of concrete? I've reviewed a lot of pictures of such facilities, but this element is not met.



2. Do I understand correctly that this one groove in the doorway - it is for the chimney stove?




Best regards.
Konstantin.

[TH]

Hi Konstantin!

1. What is meant here is that barrier, so this of concrete? I've reviewed a lot of pictures of such facilities, but this element is not met.

The top of the Ringstand was usually covered with earth. The bulge on the entrance side is there to prevent it from falling down.

2. Do I understand correctly that this one groove in the doorway - it is for the chimney stove?

Probably, yes. Looks a bit like the concrete between the original hole for the pipe and the entrance broke off, thus forming the unusual groove.

[herring]

Helo Konstantin,

It's very interesting. Did you also find any remains/ stories about Stahlunterstands? Or Pantherturms?

[herring]

In my notes I've found information, that 1 Pantherturm was located in Mielniki. Point is, that you have 3 Mielniki in Ukraine (Mielniki near Shatsk, Mielniki Mostyskie, Mielniki Zhetshytskhye) and 1 Mielniki in Belarus. All of them are located close to each other.

[Konstantin]

In my notes I've found information, that 1 Pantherturm was located in Mielniki. Point is, that you have 3 Mielniki in Ukraine (Mielniki near Shatsk, Mielniki Mostyskie, Mielniki Zhetshytskhye) and 1 Mielniki in Belarus. All of them are located close to each other.

Helo herring,

Interesting information. It would be great if something survived. You do not have more precise information, the marks on the map?

Best regards.
Konstantin.

[Konstantin]

Hi Konstantin!

1. What is meant here is that barrier, so this of concrete? I've reviewed a lot of pictures of such facilities, but this element is not met.

The top of the Ringstand was usually covered with earth. The bulge on the entrance side is there to prevent it from falling down.

2. Do I understand correctly that this one groove in the doorway - it is for the chimney stove?

Probably, yes. Looks a bit like the concrete between the original hole for the pipe and the entrance broke off, thus forming the unusual groove.

Hi ТН!

Thank you!. You really helped me advice.

Best regards.
Konstantin.

[Lars Bertelsen]

Hello herring,
thanks for info about Mielniki names. It is a bit difficult, because it seems that there are several spelling errors in the original German document, published in Panzer Tracts #21-2.
The Pantherturmstand at “Mielniki” was part of the W.P.P.-Stellung. Thus, the right one might be Melnyky near Shatsk? (please see map)
In fact there is a Mielnik in Poland too (green spot on map). But that cannot be the right one, since it is far away from the W.P.P.-Stellung.
Greetings Lars

[Vasilyev]

Hello herring,
thanks for info about Mielniki names. It is a bit difficult, because it seems that there are several spelling errors in the original German document, published in Panzer Tracts #21-2.
The Pantherturmstand at “Mielniki” was part of the W.P.P.-Stellung. Thus, the right one might be Melnyky near Shatsk? (please see map)
In fact there is a Mielnik in Poland too (green spot on map). But that cannot be the right one, since it is far away from the W.P.P.-Stellung.
Greetings Lars

Hi Lars! Which NARA files did you find the base map in?

[Lars Bertelsen]

Hello Vasilyev
I do not remember where I found this map, but I will check up asap and be back then. Or probably one of our fellow colleagues might help?
Greetings Lars