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Tree's with protection

Post by jopaerya » 01 Aug 2009 18:30

Hello

A while ago there was a discussion on a Dutch Forum about protection for tree's of concrete and bricks
http://www.fortificatieforum.nl/viewtop ... ilit=bomen this had a special reason , please
Jack help me here. But I only saw this in Holland , now I came across a picture of the Fl 250 in St Nazaire
with the same future .

Photo's = Fortificatie Forum and Mythe ou Realite from A.C.

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Re: Tree's with protection

Post by stril » 02 Aug 2009 10:53

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=147603&p=1279589

Photo from Kystfort(credit :J-V)
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Re: Tree's with protection

Post by jopaerya » 03 Aug 2009 05:23

Thanks Stril

For reminding me one the Norwegian one's .

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Re: Tree's with protection

Post by SES » 03 Aug 2009 09:26

Hi,
I know the Germans are found of trees, woods and forests, but this is driving it to the extreme. Has anyone got a plausible explanation for this Regelbau Tree Protector?
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Post by jan lugtmeijer » 03 Aug 2009 09:50

SES wrote:Hi,
I know the Germans are found of trees, woods and forests, but this is driving it to the extreme. Has anyone got a plausible explanation for this Regelbau Tree Protector?
bregds
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Hi SES,

Because the trees were perfect to use as natural camouflage. The protection was to prevent the trees going dead.
If the area just above groundlevel/just above the roots is buried under sand the trees would die.

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Re: Tree's with protection

Post by Auseklis » 03 Aug 2009 09:52

This constructions are NOT a protection against combat damage. They protect the trees against the humidity of the soil.

On picture 2 you see a building with a ramp of soil (maybe for additional protection of the basement?). The tree was in that place before the earthworks took place. To protect the tree from roting, the tree trunk needed some space for the circulation of air around it.
On picture 1 you see the same on a bunker BEFORE the earthworks are done.

The trees where left in place for camouflage reasons.

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Re: Tree's with protection

Post by SES » 03 Aug 2009 10:03

jan lugtmeijer wrote:
SES wrote:Hi,
I know the Germans are found of trees, woods and forests, but this is driving it to the extreme. Has anyone got a plausible explanation for this Regelbau Tree Protector?
bregds
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Hi SES,

Because the trees were perfect to use as natural camouflage. The protection was to prevent the trees going dead.
If the area just above groundlevel/just above the roots is buried under sand the trees would die.

regards, Jan


Those areguments are very valid indeed, but why is this "construction" not more widespread. I have surveyed ALL HQs and commandbunker sites in Denmark and have never come across this construction in the field or in photos.
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Re: Tree's with protection

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 03 Aug 2009 10:05

Hello,

In Poland on area of FHQ Riese are planted trees which has it's lower part in some kind os concrete ring,not very high.
It is said that trees vere planted there to mask entrances to the undeground complex against air-reccon.

Brgds
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Re: Tree's with protection

Post by SES » 03 Aug 2009 10:14

Thanks a lot.
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Re: Tree's with protection

Post by Bo2 » 03 Aug 2009 16:04

Bonjour
The emergency exit of Fl under the house is surrounded in red, it seems to me to remember that the tree is always there but protection was filled and the tree did not die...
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construction around the tree has being made BEFORE the construction of the bunker to protect the tree trunk from possible shocks which could have made it die and thus lose an element of natural camouflage
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Re: Tree's with protection

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 06 Aug 2009 10:44

Here are mentioned trees from Soboń complex (FHQ Riese):

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Re: Tree's with protection

Post by jopaerya » 06 Aug 2009 16:08

Hi @ndrew

Very nice picture's from FHQ Riese , thanks for sharing .

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Re: Tree's with protection

Post by ducatim901 » 06 Aug 2009 17:11

Hi Jos,
Nice to see it happen in more places then Echt and Scheveningen, this year we also found a place in the Maginotline.
In the Maginotline the walls were not bricked up but just holes with rocks around it.
The thing is that almost every living creature needs oyygen.
When extra ground is layed on the soil where the tree is already growing there is less oxygen in the ground, as already said the roots will rot, the trees at Echt are all or almost all dead, so it did not always help.
Trees were part of the natural camouflage and to build a bunker some had to go.
To keep as many trees as possible the trees got the protection just to prevent rotting, nothing more nothing less.
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Re: Tree's with protection

Post by 20P7 » 06 Aug 2009 22:08

Hello Members,

you can find this way of tree-protection on all parts of the Westwall. There it is always done with bricks or stones. We never found it made of concrete.

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Re: Tree's with protection

Post by jopaerya » 12 Aug 2014 11:19

A other picture of tree protection , picture is from Fortificatie Forum .

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