Artillery Fire Control Equipment

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Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 13 Sep 2009 07:48

Anyone have any photographs or illustrations of the equipment and charts the German artillery used to compute the range and direction to target? Thanks

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Re: Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by grappener » 13 Sep 2009 10:28

Got to admit I'd be quite interested to see any information on this area, or even if someone could list the types of documents or sources of information that could be usefull. Especially with regard to the type of methods or equipment used in bunkers (like Marine Artillery Abteilungs for example).

Anyone got any sources of information on the Lange ZielSaule C.38? or Peil Apparat equipment for example?

thanks for any leads

Grappener :D

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Re: Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 13 Sep 2009 13:11

Best I could do would be for the US coast artillery, but there seems to be little interest for that. Obtaining a copy of the Wehrmacht technical or training documents may be the solution.

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Re: Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by grappener » 13 Sep 2009 20:48

Thanks for that Carl,

Am still trying to get my head around how the German Technical Manual System was ordered, once I've cracked that will probably be in a better place to be more "directed" with research.

all good stuff!

cheers

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Re: Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 13 Sep 2009 22:31

Twice I've seen folks claim to have somesuch, but they failed to respond to any questions. The two documents I have collected have no details, just boilerplate doctrinal statements. Zzzzzzz

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Re: Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by jopaerya » 14 Sep 2009 05:28

Hello

Do you know the report German Seacoast Defenses from 1945 there is a part about gunnery and fire control .
If you send me your e-mailadres in a p.m. I will send you the report if you want . Most information is naval one .

Regards Jos

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Re: Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by Michate » 14 Sep 2009 07:59

You should obviously try to get copies of the respective versions of the technical gunnery instruction:
HDv. 200/6 (= A.V.A. 6) "Schießvorschrift"

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Re: Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 14 Sep 2009 11:41

Michate wrote:You should obviously try to get copies of the respective versions of the technical gunnery instruction:
HDv. 200/6 (= A.V.A. 6) "Schießvorschrift"
Thanks for that. Nearly two years ago someone recommended and claimed to have a copy of a "HDSvorschrift" which did not make sense as a title or turn up in my searches.

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Re: Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by Michate » 14 Sep 2009 11:51

HDv. is short for "Heeresdienstvorschrift" (verbatim: army service instruction), in meaning similar to the American "Field Manual".
The most important manuals for the artillery are those of the HDv. 200/x (x = 1,..., 7) series.

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Re: Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by grappener » 14 Sep 2009 20:45

Thanks Michate and Jos,

At least I've got a rough idea of what manuals to look out for now, but I can imagine that hunting them down will be another thing!

Thanks again for the advice :D :D :D

cheers

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Re: Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 14 Sep 2009 22:41

Perhaps Michate or Jos will give you their copy :D

I'd be happy with a photo copy or scan of the essential pages.

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Re: Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by Michate » 15 Sep 2009 08:31

I will try to do what I can, be it will take a little time.

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Re: Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by grappener » 15 Sep 2009 20:34

Hi Michate,

if there is anything you can add please do p.m. me.

Carl, if you also wish please send me a mail.

Jos, thank you for your help on this matter also!

thanks all

grappener

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Re: Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by Carl Schwamberger » 16 Sep 2009 02:30

grappener... whats your interest in this subject? Same to Jos & Michate. And whats your background in artillery?

I had ten years of my military career with the guns.

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Re: Artillery Fire Control Equipment

Post by Michate » 16 Sep 2009 08:01

Grappener and Carl,

have a look at this website, where most of the existing manuals can be bought from:

http://www.superborg.de/ , for artillery especially: http://www.superborg.de/hdv200.htm (Heeresdienstvorschriften) and http://www.superborg.com/hmb027.htm (Heeres-Merkblätter)

or have a look at this threads: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=44266 and http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=530136

or a little information on just relevant HDVs. found in a Polish forum: http://dws.kei.pl/phpbb3/viewtopic.php? ... &p=1341522

Even, if you do not want to buy, these are very useful just as a source of inform on manuals.

The HDv. 200/5 "Führung der Artillerie" ("Command of the Artillery") is briefly discussed here, with some more online references on manuals provided:

http://forum.panzer-archiv.de/viewtopic.php?t=5762

If you know what manuals you want to have, take a look at online book sales databases such as eurobuch.com or zvab.de where, to judge from my own experiences this spring, you can find many offers of these from "book antiquariats" for between 10 and 20 Euros + 2-5 Euros for shipping.

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