Id. naval guns

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by ludvig » 02 Mar 2010 09:26

Hello Sturm78 ,
last photo shows :
15 cm Tbts KC/36
your photos from 23 Dec 2009 :
hmm, good questions !
only sure of the shield which is a 10,5 cm MPLC/28
Conflicting information in the sources ,the
gun could be a :
- 10,5 cm SKC/28 ( Type 23 )
- 12,7 cm SKC/25 ( Bremse )
- 12,7 cm SKC/34 ( Luch + Leopard )
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 02 Mar 2010 12:31

Hi Ludvig. Thank you very much for your answer. :D

About the guns of my images of 23 Dec 2009: I had never heard of a 12.7cm SK C/25. 8O

I know 10.5cm SK C/28, 10.5cm SK C/32 and 12.7cm SK C/34

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by ludvig » 02 Mar 2010 19:58

Hello Sturm78 ,
The 12,7 cm SKC/25 is mentioned in M.J.
Whitley : German coastal forces of World
War Two page 160 :
" As completed , Bremse was armed with
four 12,7 cm SKC/25 guns - - - .These guns
had orginally been intended for the Type
23 torpedo boats but had not shipped because
of political objections "
Have little info , but J belive that these are test
guns for the 12,7 cm SKC/34 . John Campell :
Naval Weapons of World War Two page 246 writes
under 12,7 cm SKC/34 :
" Some of the earlier guns were bored 10,5 cm SKC/28 "
So 10,5 cm SKC/28 , 12,7 cm SKC/25 and early 12,7 cm
SKC/34 are a tricky minefield - - -
But you can see it by the ammo , 10,5 cm uses complete
rounds and 12,7 cm SKC/34 seperate ammo
J have feeling of your photos could by from early Bremse
regards
ludvig

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by guz84 » 02 Mar 2010 21:37

ludvig wrote:Hello Sturm78 ,
The 12,7 cm SKC/25 is mentioned in M.J.
Whitley : German coastal forces of World
War Two page 160 :
" As completed , Bremse was armed with
four 12,7 cm SKC/25 guns - - - .These guns
had orginally been intended for the Type
23 torpedo boats but had not shipped because
of political objections "
Have little info , but J belive that these are test
guns for the 12,7 cm SKC/34 . John Campell :
Naval Weapons of World War Two page 246 writes
under 12,7 cm SKC/34 :
" Some of the earlier guns were bored 10,5 cm SKC/28 "
So 10,5 cm SKC/28 , 12,7 cm SKC/25 and early 12,7 cm
SKC/34 are a tricky minefield - - -
But you can see it by the ammo , 10,5 cm uses complete
rounds and 12,7 cm SKC/34 seperate ammo
J have feeling of your photos could by from early Bremse
regards
ludvig
Well, I would not trust a single source information of this kind knowing that neither the MDv198 nor Rheinmetall documents lists a gun named 12,7 cm SKC/25.
My best guess is that the gun in question is a 12,7 cm SKC/34 in 10,5 cm MPLC/28 if it has separate shell and charge or a 10,5 cm SKC/28 in 10,5 cm MPLC/28 if it has a fixed round. (Look-alikes on some distance)

The German sources list two versions of the 12,7 cm SKC/34:
in 10,5 cm MPLC/28 with at total weiht of 7970 kg
in 12,7 cm MPLC/34 with a total weight of 12180 kg.

Regards
Guz

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 04 Mar 2010 15:08

Hi Ludvig and Guz, and thanks for your answers.

Well, it seems that the question about the 12.7cm SK C/25 gun is not very clear :?

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by stril » 04 Mar 2010 16:02

Hello
Added a photo from ebay. Just curious about that small device on rails behind the gun. Is it a fuze setter ?
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by jopaerya » 04 Mar 2010 16:30

Hello Stril

Yes, you are right , it's a fuze setter . BTW never seen one on rail 8-)

Regards Jos

P.S. I could not anything on the 12.7 cm S.K.C/25
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by stril » 04 Mar 2010 17:06

Hello
Thank you Jos, your most helpful.
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by stril » 10 Mar 2010 19:39

Hello
Added a photo bought some years ago. Is it possible to id the gun ?
Another thing..the picture was bought with another taken near Languedoc-Port Vendres. Any idea if this picture is taken in that area ? Seems like there is a old fortress on the hill behind.
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by ROLAND1369 » 10 Mar 2010 21:27

It is a 37 mm model 1925 french naval aa gun.

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Re: Id. naval guns

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by stril » 11 Mar 2010 13:45

Hello
Thank you Roland and Jos. Most helpful :-)
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by stril » 14 Mar 2010 17:23

Hello
Added kind of a rare picture. Posted some years ago, but ill add it in this tread. Forgot that i had this picture :-)
Its a 7,5 cm Pak 40 M in L.M. 39/43 on the Netzleger II "Hermann Sauber"
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by jopaerya » 25 Jun 2010 16:41

Hello

The first photo from the 2 cm Flakvierling 38 is publiced earlyer on this Forum .
Please note the extra protection around the gunsight and the box in front of the gunshield .
Now I have found others pictures with the same adjustments , any idea on this flakpiece ??

Photo's = Ebay.usa

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 07 Jul 2010 11:33

Hi all,

I need help with this german naval gun. 10.5cm SK C32 in MPL C/32 mount or 8.8cm SK C30 in MPL C/30 mount?? :?

In the other hand, Can somebody Id. the model of the german depth charges? WBD, WBF, WBG or WBH??

Image from Ebay
Thanks in advance. Sturm78
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