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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by ludvig » 08 Jan 2024 14:28

Hello
Yes , it is an 10,5 cm SKC/32 in MPLC/32 photo caption says minesweaper M 17 ,
Notice the upper Vieserklappe

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 08 Jan 2024 22:02

Thank you, ludvig... :wink:

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 18 Jan 2024 22:30

Hi all,

Does someboy know if this 19cm Krupp L40 naval WWI-era gun was used on any ship ? ...or only was a prototype ??

Image from a Krupp catalog via http://katalog.istanbul.edu.tr/client/e ... 4&isd=true
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Leichtmatrose » 21 Feb 2024 23:55

Hi Sturm 78,
Vice-Admiral Dähnhardt of the Budgetkommission (Budget Commission) gave the answer 1915 in his "Handakten" (manuscripts). The Marineverwaltung (Naval Administration) had realized that dependence on a single arms supplier (Krupp) could not be good in the long run. In 1908, the Rheinische Metallwaaren- und Maschinenfabrik (Ehrhardt) received an offer to develop an 8.8 cm SK gun for the Navy. For various reasons, nothing came of it. It wasn't until 1913, when the idea of U-boats with 8.8 cm guns was born, that Ehrhardt came into play. The 10,5cm Ubts. u. Tbts. K. L/45 on your picture is another example for this policy.

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Tanzania » 22 Feb 2024 08:00

Leichtmatrose wrote:
21 Feb 2024 23:55
Hi Sturm 78,
Vice-Admiral Dähnhardt of the Budgetkommission (Budget Commission) gave the answer 1915 in his "Handakten" (manuscripts). The Marineverwaltung (Naval Administration) had realized that dependence on a single arms supplier (Krupp) could not be good in the long run. In 1908, the Rheinische Metallwaaren- und Maschinenfabrik (Ehrhardt) received an offer to develop an 8.8 cm SK gun for the Navy. For various reasons, nothing came of it. It wasn't until 1913, when the idea of U-boats with 8.8 cm guns was born, that Ehrhardt came into play. The 10,5cm Ubts. u. Tbts. K. L/45 on your picture is another example for this policy.

Hi Leichtmatrose; - welcome to the AHF. (- :welcome: -)

You gave a detailed and interesting answer; - However, I don't know which question you answered?

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Leichtmatrose » 22 Feb 2024 17:49

Sorry! This was the original question:

Re: Id. naval guns
#1154Post by Sturm78 » 12 Dec 2023, 22:36
Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay. I think an 10.5 cm Erhardt Ubts.u.Tbts.K L45 ex-german naval gun reused by French in coastal position after WW1.
Also there was an 10.5cm Ubts u Tbts. L45 of Krupp of different but similar design.
My question is. Why the German Navy adopted two different designs of 10.5cm guns ?? :?

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Tanzania » 22 Feb 2024 20:37

Leichtmatrose wrote:
22 Feb 2024 17:49
My question is. Why the German Navy adopted two different designs of 10.5cm guns ?? :?
Because of different designs from Krupp and Rheinmetall.

Go back to 2016 and 2018 in this thread, there you will find detailed answers and pictures.

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by nuyt » 23 Feb 2024 16:06

Leichtmatrose wrote:
21 Feb 2024 23:55
Hi Sturm 78,
Vice-Admiral Dähnhardt of the Budgetkommission (Budget Commission) gave the answer 1915 in his "Handakten" (manuscripts). The Marineverwaltung (Naval Administration) had realized that dependence on a single arms supplier (Krupp) could not be good in the long run. In 1908, the Rheinische Metallwaaren- und Maschinenfabrik (Ehrhardt) received an offer to develop an 8.8 cm SK gun for the Navy. For various reasons, nothing came of it. It wasn't until 1913, when the idea of U-boats with 8.8 cm guns was born, that Ehrhardt came into play. The 10,5cm Ubts. u. Tbts. K. L/45 on your picture is another example for this policy.
Thanks, so which one was the first Ehrhardt 8,8 cm submarine deckgun, the L30?

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Leichtmatrose » 23 Feb 2024 22:27

In 1912, the naval command had asked the companies Krupp and Rheinische Metalwaaren-und Maschinenfabrik to submit designs for an 8.8 cm U-boat gun. The guns were to have the same ballistic characteristics as the already introduced 8.8cm Tbts. K. (Krupp). The guns were also to be put down for underwater travel, as it was feared that the water resistance would be too great. The result was the 8.8cm Ubts. K. L/30 in 8,8cm Ubts.L. foldable (Krupp) and the 8.8cm Ubts.K. L/30 in Ubts. L. (Ehrhardt).
To your question: All later WWI 8.8cm Ubts. K. from Rheinmetall were L/30. Only the base has been changed.

Source: BArch, RM6/3192 (Rheinmetall Borsig A.G.: Geschütze und Maschinenwaffen für die deutsche Kriegsmarine Heft 1 (1907 bis 1918) Barch means that it is a file from the Federal Archives in Freiburg (Germany).
IMG_20210811_115404Klein.jpg
The picture shows the only surviving example (of U 20 who sank the Lusitania) with a lowerable mount displayed in the Sea War Museum Jutland in Thyborøn (Denmark). A must have seen for all those interested in Navy and Naval Guns: www.seawarmuseum.dk
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by nuyt » 24 Feb 2024 15:09

Many thanks, good stuff, so could this be the Ehrhardt model? It has a quite distinct mount...
Manuferey wrote:
21 Mar 2015 13:53

But I understand that there was also a 8,8 cm Ubts. u. Tbts Flak L/30 which was different from the above SKC 30U:
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Source:
http://sudwall.superforum.fr/l-artiller ... -t1061.htm

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Leichtmatrose » 25 Feb 2024 18:11

Hi Emmanuel,
this is a late version of the 8.8cm Ubts. K. manufactured by Krupp. Exact name: 8.8 cm Ubts. u. Tbts. Flak. L/30 apt. in 8.8 cm Ubts. and Tbts. L. (1916). The elevation here is 60° at the 8.8 cm Ubts. K. it is only 20°. Source: Barch RM 6/3036 (PG 29434)
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by nuyt » 25 Feb 2024 23:23

Thanks! It was actually not Emmanuel asking, I just copied his entire post :)
So late war Krupp design then.

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by MPHS Flandern » 08 Mar 2024 20:37

Now an inverted question: what gun was fixed on this concrete base with 4 metal fixing points in a 2 WW open pillbox of a Kriegsmarine base.
10 cm high; 50,5 cm diameter
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