Id. naval guns

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by ludvig » 01 Nov 2009 16:00

Hello Manuferey ,
* Many thanks for sharing these interesting photos !
* P1 : Rare the the photograpier have the full designation
at the backside . Notice the loading motor + fuzesetter +
at shell laying to be fuzed . But notice the arm + device
over the range scale + loading motor , this looks a part
of the iternal fittings for a full enveloping shield = thus
this gun / battery is converting into a Deckenschützschild???
* P2+P3 correct observations ! ( it is " Vollrohr " )
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by jopaerya » 02 Nov 2009 17:02

Hello

Here a drawing of the 10.5 cm S.K.C/33 n.a. as you can see this also has the 2 humps like the 10.5 cm S.K.C/32 n.a.

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 03 Nov 2009 13:59

Hi all,

Can anyone identify these naval AA guns? Images from Ebay
I am not expert in naval artillery :roll:

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by ludvig » 03 Nov 2009 15:03

Halo Sturm78 ,
* thanks for uploading !
* the guns are :
3,7 cm SKC/30 in Dopp LC/30
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ludvig

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 03 Nov 2009 20:17

Hi Ludvig and thanks for your answer.

This was my first thought, but the angle of the photograph made me think after in bigger guns.

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 14 Nov 2009 12:27

Hi all,

I need your help to identify this naval cannon. I'm very confused with this issue. There are a multitude of guns and mounts very similar to each other, with multiple combinations: :? :? German army artillery is simpler!! :lol: Obviously I am no expert in naval artillery.

I think in: 10.5cm SK C32 in MPL C/32 or MPL C/30 or perhaps 8.8cm SK C30 on MPL C/30 mount. :roll:

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by ludvig » 14 Nov 2009 19:59

Halo Sturm78 ,
J think that your photo shows a :
*10,5 cm S.K.C/32 or another monobloc gun barrel / in German
" Vollrohr " , to indentify it correctly J must see the breech .
The mount is an ordinary 8,8 cm M.P.L.C/30 with four side
land shield attached .
* The German naval artillery is complicated , with few good
written sources , the best avaiable is Campell's book .
* Since you are from Espania , there is some interesting
German guns perserved in Spain and good Spanish
book resources . Look out for minador Jupiter !
* Outside Cadiz you will find a interesting :
Canon antiaero " Krupp " de 10,5 cm UBTS und Tbts. Flak
L/45 sobre montaje M.P.l. C/30 , same mount + same
shield as in your photo , perhaps the same gun ???
* Have you seen the :
Artemio Mortera Perez : La Artilleria Naval en la
Guerra Civil Espanola 1936/39 ???
Salutas
ludvig

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 15 Nov 2009 12:08

Thank you very much for your response, Ludvig. :D

I recently purchased the books "German naval artillery Vol II and III" of Miroslaw Skwiot (AJ Press), but I think they have a lot of errors and the text is quite confusing. They have good pictures but I think some are erroneously identified.

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 22 Nov 2009 16:08

Hi all,

Two new images for ID.:
I think the following possibilities: 8.8cm SK C/31 L78 on Dopp. LC/31 mount
8.8cm SK C/32 L76 on Dopp. LC/32 mount
10.5cm SK C/33 L65 on Dopp. LC/31g.E. mount

Thanks in advance. Regards Sturm78
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by jopaerya » 22 Nov 2009 16:40

Hi Sturm78

Now the easiest part , the lafette is the 8.8 cm Dopp.L. C/31 for the guns I need some more time .
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... lit=lutzow

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 22 Nov 2009 17:38

Hi Jos,

Which is the difference between 8.8cm Dopp. LC/31 and 8.8cm Dopp. LC/32 mounts?
According to my information the 8.8cm Dopp. LC/31 was used in Deutschland pocket battleships with 8.8cm Flak guns (then 10.5cm Flak) and later german battleships and heavy cruisers with 10.5cm Flak guns and 8.8cm Dopp. LC/32 mounts were use on light cruisers (K-class, Leipzig and Nurberg) with 8.8cm Flak guns.

Sturm78

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Jens Andersen » 22 Nov 2009 17:53

Hi

- flak batterie.jpg:
Most probably the battery "Lützow" at Skagen/DK in the summer of 1940 - according to the link the picture had the text "Lützow" on the back. The guns were 8,8 cm SK L/76 C32 in Doppellafette C31.

- AA gun naval mount.JPG:
The photo is probably taken during some kind of testing of the carriage. The picture seems to be dated 1935.

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Jens

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by jopaerya » 22 Nov 2009 18:28

Hello

According to the book "Naval Weapons of W.W. 2 "from J. Campbell the mounts are Dopp.L.C/32
but I have some doughts about that .
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... u#p1283449

Regards Jos

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Jens Andersen » 22 Nov 2009 19:01

Hi Jos

I have the information on the gun type from:
Koop, G. & K. P. Schmolke: Die Panzerschiffe der Deutschland Klasse. Bonn 1993.

As this is a spezialized work about the ship type I would concider it more reliable that a general work about naval weaponry.

Jens

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 23 Nov 2009 11:53

Hi all,

- flak batterie.jpg:
Well, if the guns of battery Lützow came from the battleship Lutzow, then the guns have to be 8.8cm SK C/31 on Dopp. LC/31. See http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_88mm-78_skc31.htm

- AA gun naval mount.jpg:
I think however the mount of my last photo is probably a 8.8cm Dopp. LC/31g.E, due to cut in the lateral plate. The guns, I do not know :roll:

Regards Sturm78

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