Id. naval guns

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by vladalex » 16 Apr 2013 10:30

Hello Mr.nuyt,
My response was personal for your question, the other members of the forum is possible to have particular response.
Nothing bed in my response, I only not used Smilies.
Please trust in my good intentions, regarding this response, and of course please excuse me for possible collateral effects ! :)
And now , a personal opinion about the "old" friend-gun 10,5 cm UTOF-C/1916 Krupp.
Instead of the expression "very rare weapon" my option is " one of the best AA weapon of this times and one of the most frequently used weapon in Kriegsmarine, inherited from KaiserlicheMarine"
In Mr.Campbell Bible of Naval Weapons of world war II is write a very big true about ammo , that is much easy to understand in our days.
Most of the usefull naval guns of Kriegsmarine, was adapted to use SKC32 ammo, because was revolutionary for that day, and open a new era for the shells with extension till our days (new concept of subcaliber ammo).
The guns wich used in the second world war this munitions is : 10,5 cm SK.L/40/45 (C/1906, C/1912 ) ; 10,5 cm Flak L/45 ; 10,5 cm UTOF C/1916 ( in 10,5 cm L.C/1916 or in 8,8 cm MPLC/30) , 10,5 cm SKC32 familly (skc/32 , skc/32n , skc/32L , skc/32nL , skc/32/nS , skc/32nFlack in MPLC/35) and sck/33 family. All old guns converted to use this new 15,1 Kg shell, have undergone changes and machining of the barrel and the pipes received the call sign n.R (nachgebohrte rohre)
The another face of the medal for 10,5 cm UTOF C/1916 was : it was the seed from wich was developed the skc/32 naval guns family because practically it was the first dual purpose naval gun (from point of view of the targets, naval or aerial)
About " it cannot be older than the late 1920s/1930ish because of the 20mm guns ", I think it is a mistake, because it was very easy to take in the years 1925 an old T-Boot about 800t and to mount 2 or 3 x AA 20 mm canons to improve AA capability of the ship.
And now at last, I can say that Mr. Campbell are right with Moewe Class, because initially no 10,5 cm UTOF have no shields, which was attached latter, function of geographically zone of ship action.
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by nuyt » 16 Apr 2013 10:44

Excellent post Vladalex, thnaks!
Any idea how many of these guns were still in service by , say, 1939?

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by vladalex » 16 Apr 2013 16:11

Sorry, I have no this exact information.
But, very much, I think, mounted in Atlantic Wahl positions and bunkers, cargo ships, medium and small ships, in well known form of 10,5 cm Ubts.u.Tbts.Flak C/1916(Krupp) in 10,5 cm Ubts.u.Tbts.L.C/1916 without shield or 10,5 cm Ubts.u.Tbts.Flak C/1916(Krupp) in 10,5 cm Ubts.u.Tbts.L.C/1916 with SK.L/45 C/1906 shield or finally in the most known form of 10,5 cm Ubts.u.Tbts.Flak in 8,8 cm M.P.L. C/30 ( generally known under the name of 10,5 cm S.K. C/32n.R in 8,8 cm M.P.L. C/30)
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Apr 2013 13:41

nuyt wrote
maybe 100 mm L43 Oto 1927


I don´t think so.

According to http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNIT_39-43_m1927.htm All submarines armed with 100 mm/43 guns had them mounted in the conning tower. These were later replaced by deck-mounted 100 mm/47 guns.

Does anyone know the differences between different OTO models 1931, 1935 and 1938 sub guns?

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by vladalex » 17 Apr 2013 17:47

Hi Sturm78 ,
I think, but I'm not sure that the gun is 100mm/47 O.T.O. model 1931 – Modiffied special in 1936 for submarine.
About submarine is possible to be one of the Ammiragli Class (Admiral Cagni, Admiral Caracciolo, Admiral Millo or
Admiral Saint Bon).
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by vladalex » 17 Apr 2013 18:00

... but because the gun is 100mm/47 O.T.O. model 1931 – Modiffied in 1936 for submarine, most probabilly is from
Glauco Class ( Amiragglia Class has 2 x 100mm/47 O.T.O. model 1938)
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 19 Apr 2013 19:23

Hi all,

Thank you very much for your replies, vladalex.

Here, another image from EBay. I think 10.5cm SK C32 gun but I am not sure about he mount/shield

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by vladalex » 19 Apr 2013 22:23

Hi Sturm78 ,
It is 10,5 cm S.K.C/32n.S. in 10,5 cm M.P.L.C/32g.E in shield type 3 .
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 22 Apr 2013 20:20

Thank you very much for your help, vladalex

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 24 Apr 2013 10:03

Hi all,

Can somebody identify this naval gun?
Any idea about the mechanisms located above the tube? I guess it would be something related to the aiming system, no?

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by nuyt » 24 Apr 2013 10:38

I think these are old guns that have been updated with electrical gear to operate them. Look at the tubes/cables.
Just my thoughts...
The gun reminds me of those Krupp 5cms we discussed at Hoek van Holland.
I am travelling, so no books around :roll:
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by vladalex » 24 Apr 2013 10:39

Hi Sturm78 ,
It is 8,8 cm Tbts.K.L/45 in 8,8 cm Tbts.L.C/1913.
You are right, is complete receivers and receptors for aiming and corrections of the fire.
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P.S.
I repost for you, I think an older yours photo about the same subject from this forum,
and a redraw after a drawing from tsushima.ro/forum.
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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by nuyt » 24 Apr 2013 10:41

OK, I stand corrected. Vladalex can you definitely ID those Hoek van Holland guns ?

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by Sturm78 » 24 Apr 2013 10:52

Thank you very much for your help, VladAlex. :)

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Re: Id. naval guns

Post by vladalex » 24 Apr 2013 11:46

nuyt wrote:OK, I stand corrected. Vladalex can you definitely ID those Hoek van Holland guns ?

I am sorry, it is harder problem for me.
A supposition : looking at the gun design, is not younger than 1890.
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