Id. naval guns

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

10.5cm Ubts.u.Tbts.Flak L45 (Krupp) ???

Image from Ebay
Sturm78

[jopaerya]

Most likely Toulon , any idea on the caliber and type of the twin-turret ?? Photo= Ebay

Regards Jos

[ROLAND1369]

If this is indeed Toulon, and the presence of the battleship in the background probably The BB Provenge, would make these guns the 240 MM secondary turrets of the French Pre-Drednought French Condorcet. I was used as a gunnery training hulk by the french navy and as an commendation hulk by the German navy after their occupation of Southern France.

[jopaerya]

Thanks Roland

[ROLAND1369]

As you probably surmised, I left the "A" off "[b][u]a[/u][/b]ccommodation". Big Fingers, little keys. The guns are 240 mm M 1902.

[Ondrej Filip]

As you probably surmised, I left the "A" off "accommodation". Big Fingers, little keys. The guns are 240 mm M 1902.

The same guns preserved at Dakar (installed in fortress turret).

[Dili]

What happened to remaining turret? sabotage?

[Ondrej Filip]

What happened to remaining turret? sabotage?

The French navy has no enough funds to modernize turret thoroughly. They used old battleship secondary guns 240 mm M 1902, bigger than original guns 240 Mle 1893-96. They dismantle the roof of the turret, cut the armour above the barrels and placed the guns higher. It is an improvisation.

[ROLAND1369]

It is most likely that the french torch cut the barrels when they granted independence to Senegal. There were two other turrets like this at Dakar, one at BEL AIR and one at CAPE MANUEL with similar modified turrets. The original 240 mm model 93-96 guns were removed to France during WW I and mounted as railwyay artillery. Aside from the removal of the turret roofs an insert was placed on the carriage in order to raise the trunion height which increased the elevation from the original 10 degrees, yielding 10,000 meters range, to 23.55 degrees degrees, yielding 19,100 meters range with the model 02 gun. The original 93-96 guns on their Rail carriages survived to be used during the second world war by both the French and Germans. In addition to the three turrets at Dakar two more turrets were emplaced at Rach Cat Fort on the Mekong river in Modern Viet Nam. Theses turrets were never rearmed or modified and are still in existence. North of Dakar a third battery of 240 MM model 1902 guns was emplaced at battery Mameles. This consisted of 3-240 MM model 1902 guns on model 1923 central pivot carriages. These were on open mounts in a concrete emplacement which had earlier also mounted the 93-96 guns.

[Dili]

Thanks Ondrej, Roland.

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Not german gun but... ...Any idea about this gun ??

Image from nimh-beeldbank.defensie
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[Alexander Taper-Bore]

Dutch Navy Kanon van 7,5cm No 5, a Krupp design also delivered through Bofors from 1921 to the Dutch. This could be Java light cruiser?

[Sturm78]

Alexander wrote
Dutch Navy Kanon van 7,5cm No 5, a Krupp design also delivered through Bofors from 1921 to the Dutch. This could be Java light cruiser?

Thank you very much Alexander. Is this the same gun ?

Image from nimh-beeldbank.defensie
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[Alexander Taper-Bore]

yes, but picture is probably inverted:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/t ... +with+KNIL

[vladalex]

Alexander wrote
Dutch Navy Kanon van 7,5cm No 5, a Krupp design also delivered through Bofors from 1921 to the Dutch. This could be Java light cruiser?

Thank you very much Alexander. Is this the same gun ?

Image from nimh-beeldbank.defensie
Sturm78

A different opinion :
The first picture/gun has no one common element with the Dutch 7,5 cm No.5 (hydraulic cylinders, mechanical drive of elevation, optical sight, a.s.o....)

Regards,
VladAlex.