Id. naval guns

[Sturm78]

Thank you very much, again, ludvig...

Regards Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

10.5cm SK C32 gun ?? According to Ebay photocaption, Sperrbrecher 21

Sturm78

[ludvig]

Hello Sturm78 ,
Yes , it is a 10,5 cm SKC/32 n s in 10,5 cm MPLC C/32 g. E. schützwand
Notice the 8 x helmets for the gun crew and the small Abweiser .

ludvig

[Sturm78]

Thanks a lot. ludvig

Sturm78

[vladalex]

A short question or a big quizz :
- Anyone Know how look lafette and breech of the 10,5 cm SK L/45 C/28 in (einzel) MPL C/28 ?

Regards,
Vladalex

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Can somebody identify this naval gun? 47mm Vickers AA gun ??
Image taken during Spanish Civil War.

sTURM78

[vladalex]

Halo Sturm78 ,
J think that your photo shows a :
*10,5 cm S.K.C/32 or another monobloc gun barrel / in German
" Vollrohr " , to indentify it correctly J must see the breech .
The mount is an ordinary 8,8 cm M.P.L.C/30 with four side
land shield attached .
* The German naval artillery is complicated , with few good
written sources , the best avaiable is Campell's book .
* Since you are from Espania , there is some interesting
German guns perserved in Spain and good Spanish
book resources . Look out for minador Jupiter !
* Outside Cadiz you will find a interesting :
Canon antiaero " Krupp " de 10,5 cm UBTS und Tbts. Flak
L/45 sobre montaje M.P.l. C/30 , same mount + same
shield as in your photo , perhaps the same gun ???
* Have you seen the :
Artemio Mortera Perez : La Artilleria Naval en la
Guerra Civil Espanola 1936/39 ???
Salutas
ludvig

Now , more picture about what tell us ludvig.
Regards,
Vladalex

[vladalex]

Hello Sturm78 ,
The 12,7 cm SKC/25 is mentioned in M.J.
Whitley : German coastal forces of World
War Two page 160 :
" As completed , Bremse was armed with
four 12,7 cm SKC/25 guns - - - .These guns
had orginally been intended for the Type
23 torpedo boats but had not shipped because
of political objections "
Have little info , but J belive that these are test
guns for the 12,7 cm SKC/34 . John Campell :
Naval Weapons of World War Two page 246 writes
under 12,7 cm SKC/34 :
" Some of the earlier guns were bored 10,5 cm SKC/28 "
So 10,5 cm SKC/28 , 12,7 cm SKC/25 and early 12,7 cm
SKC/34 are a tricky minefield - - -
But you can see it by the ammo , 10,5 cm uses complete
rounds and 12,7 cm SKC/34 seperate ammo
J have feeling of your photos could by from early Bremse
regards
ludvig

Well, I would not trust a single source information of this kind knowing that neither the MDv198 nor Rheinmetall documents lists a gun named 12,7 cm SKC/25.
My best guess is that the gun in question is a 12,7 cm SKC/34 in 10,5 cm MPLC/28 if it has separate shell and charge or a 10,5 cm SKC/28 in 10,5 cm MPLC/28 if it has a fixed round. (Look-alikes on some distance)

The German sources list two versions of the 12,7 cm SKC/34:
in 10,5 cm MPLC/28 with at total weiht of 7970 kg
in 12,7 cm MPLC/34 with a total weight of 12180 kg.

Regards
Guz

For Guz84 :
It takes seven years to respond at your post , of course undocumented. All men that have the filling that "knows" something, if something go wrong, I mean don't know nothing about specificalyl subject, have the "strong" argument : "neither the MDv198 nor Rheinmetall documents " or " all german sources" (that is known !!!), not tell a single word about this subject.
That's mean nothing for me. Look for another sources !
I post a very short story in 2 pictures, that strengthens statements on the subject made by ludvig.
From the begining 10,5 cm SK C/28 was the test bench for the new destroyers gun and new destroyer for the ReichsMarine, both in terms of design, as well as a new type of ammunition, as well as the practical test because of the ban off the Treaty of Versailles against Germany to build this naval gun caliber.
I however, have one objection to ludvig: In the beginning years of SKC32 system, this used two types of naval gun ammo, one of two components against ships, and one from a single component against war planes .
But in time, ReichsMarine dropped ammo in two parts because ease of use and safety in battle of one component ammo. So for collectors of pictures, which in most cases do not have any data about the year of the picture or the type of weapon from picture, ammunition criteria is not properly functional.

Regards,
VladAlex

[vladalex]

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[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Can somebody identify this gun ??

Image from the net
Sturm78

[v60pih]

Krupp. -- A 15 cm side cannon, 7.5 metres in length. It is mounted on an eclipse lookout. On the left we see test projectiles.

See: http://www.pagef30.com/2015/04/germany- ... o-340.html

[Sturm78]

Thanks, v60pih

Any idea about the exact model ? Krupp M????

Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Can somebody identify these guns on spanish Canalejas gunboat ??

Sturm78

[EPOCH3]

Hi - please check out some related data - a bit hard to read but still useful.

Kind regards
Greg

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=200452#p2109060

[vladalex]

Hi - please tell me, who knows what kind of gun have the ship from this picture ?

Best Regards,
Vladalex