Soviet heavy AA guns in german service

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Two images of 76.2mm Russian AA guns in german use (from Ebay): 7.62cm Flak M31(r)

Regards Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Another image of a Russian heavy AA gun in service with the Wehrmacht. 76.2mm M1938 (7.62cm M38r) or 85mm M1939 (8.5cm M39r) ??

Image from Ebay.
Regards Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

A 76.2mm M1938 or a 85mm M1939 Soviet AA gun in german use:

Image from Ebay
Regards Sturm78

[stril]

Another russian gun in german service.
regards
stril

[stril]

Another

[John Hilly]

Hallo!
The Germans sold some captured 76,2 mm AA-guns to Finland in 1943-44. They were re-bored in Germany as to 88 mm calibre and used same granades as the original 'Acht-acht', which The Finns had quite a lot (used for AA-purposes only, not as Pak's).

With best
Juha

[Harri]

The Germans sold some captured 76,2 mm AA-guns to Finland in 1943-44. They were re-bored in Germany as to 88 mm calibre and used same granades as the original 'Acht-acht', which The Finns had quite a lot (used for AA-purposes only, not as Pak's).

Actually Finns didn't have any German "7.62/88cm Flak M.31 (r)" gun conversions. These were not rebored but equipped with a German 88 mm barrel.

There were two different Soviet 76.2 mm AA gun models used as such in Finland: "76 ItK/31 ss" and "76 ItK/31/40 ss". There were both self captured (war booty of 1941 42 + 4 pieces) and bought ones. Their total number in 1944 was 115 pieces of which 72 were bought from Germany in the summer 1944. "ss" stands for "sotasaalis" [war booty]. The new model had four-wheel ZU-8 carriage while the older models were equipped either with a fixed mount or with two wheel carriage copied from the Bofors AA guns.

Model "88 ItK/39/43 ss" was a rebored (or equipped with a German inner barrel) Soviet 85 mm AA gun in Finland. The last ones (18 pieces only - three six gun batteries) were bought from Germany early in 1944. They were not as good as genuine German 88 mm guns because they tend to overheat during intense firing. Also Germans used these 85 mm and rebored/rebarreled 88 mm Soviet AA guns for example in Lapland.

Source: Vehviläinen - Lappi - Palokangas: Itsenäisen Suomen ilmatorjuntatykit 1917 - 2000 [AA Guns of the Independent Finland 1917 - 2000], Military Museum of Finland, 2005

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Another image of a Russian AA gun in german service: 76.2mm M1938 or 85mm M1939. I am not sure

Image from Ebay
Regards Sturm78

[jopaerya]

Hello Sturm78

Nice to see the wooden protection around the retriever .

Regards Jos

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Another image of a soviet heavy AA gun in german service:

Image from Ebay
Regards Sturm78

[peeved]

On a Flak ferry (Source eBay.de).

Markus

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

I found this image on Ebay. 76.2mm M1938 or 85mm M1939??
How do you distinguish these two guns without seeing the muzzle brake?

Regards Sturm78

[Andrzej Ditrich]

Sturm78 Nice photo, thanks for sharing.

8,5 on ferry wer edescribed as Netherland-if my memory works correclty.

[peeved]

7,62 cm Flak M 31 (r) (Source eBay.de).

Markus

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

I found this nice image on Ebay. Static 76.2mm M1938 or 85mm M1939 with HJ auxiliary crew:

Regards Sturm78