Opening in front of Fl. 242
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Opening in front of Fl. 242
Hi
Can anyone in here explain the opening in the fron of the Fl. 242? - See attached photos.
The room behind it measures 140 x 66 cm.
It seems to small for observation and weapons - and it doesn't seem very useful as an embrasure as it is shaped as a funnel.
Best regards
Jens
Can anyone in here explain the opening in the fron of the Fl. 242? - See attached photos.
The room behind it measures 140 x 66 cm.
It seems to small for observation and weapons - and it doesn't seem very useful as an embrasure as it is shaped as a funnel.
Best regards
Jens
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Re: Opening in front of Fl. 242
i thought for near defence. but this hole isn't very big.
drawing on: http://www.fortendenhelder.nl/Bunkers/Fl242.htm
g,Ruud
drawing on: http://www.fortendenhelder.nl/Bunkers/Fl242.htm
g,Ruud
Re: Opening in front of Fl. 242
Hello
I also thought it was for close defence , but the photo's from Jens makes me wonder .
I have only a very bad drawing of the Fl 242 , looks that it says ( .....winkel .... )
Regards Jos
I also thought it was for close defence , but the photo's from Jens makes me wonder .
I have only a very bad drawing of the Fl 242 , looks that it says ( .....winkel .... )
Regards Jos
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Most of the Fl 242s I know have this tiny tiny hole. Seems useless indeed..
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Re: Opening in front of Fl. 242
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I hoped that somebody had a official drawing with a few words on it for explanation.
So, I guess I'll have to accept that it is for shooting through, although it is so small that it can't be very useful. Also, the "embrasures" isn't anything like an ordinary, German embrasure.
Best regards
Jens
I hoped that somebody had a official drawing with a few words on it for explanation.
So, I guess I'll have to accept that it is for shooting through, although it is so small that it can't be very useful. Also, the "embrasures" isn't anything like an ordinary, German embrasure.
Best regards
Jens
Re: Opening in front of Fl. 242
Hi Jens
Interesting discussion! I have always believed that it was mainly for observation purpose… Just visited Fanø where all the FL242 have been build on high ground, with excellent view of the local area. The opening is slightly larger than the one you posted from Hanstholm. The smallest one have almost the same dimensions as the opening of a 48P8 (9x12cm) so I guess that it could have been used as embrasure. But then again why not just install the 48P8 like in the FL243/249 if the main objective was “local defence”?
Brgds Tønnes
Interesting discussion! I have always believed that it was mainly for observation purpose… Just visited Fanø where all the FL242 have been build on high ground, with excellent view of the local area. The opening is slightly larger than the one you posted from Hanstholm. The smallest one have almost the same dimensions as the opening of a 48P8 (9x12cm) so I guess that it could have been used as embrasure. But then again why not just install the 48P8 like in the FL243/249 if the main objective was “local defence”?
Brgds Tønnes
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Re: Opening in front of Fl. 242
Hi
I think that i have heard that it was for Lichtsprech?
Dan
I think that i have heard that it was for Lichtsprech?
Dan
Re: Opening in front of Fl. 242
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Im not sure what it is for, but observation/defence has been mentioned. Lichtsprech ? Wouldnt know.
Just to show the setup of 4 X Fl 242 at MKB Fjell. Two with the opening facing the entrance to the battery in the south, and two facing the rear in the north.
Still im thinking of observation/defence in case of use against ground targets.
regards
stril
Im not sure what it is for, but observation/defence has been mentioned. Lichtsprech ? Wouldnt know.
Just to show the setup of 4 X Fl 242 at MKB Fjell. Two with the opening facing the entrance to the battery in the south, and two facing the rear in the north.
Still im thinking of observation/defence in case of use against ground targets.
regards
stril
Re: Opening in front of Fl. 242
Could work but I doubt that, since the opening is always facing the enemy side.Dan Mouritzsen wrote:Hi
I think that i have heard that it was for Lichtsprech?
Dan
Re: Opening in front of Fl. 242
Bonjour
JF
I think same thing but it's a very small hole to put "jumelles" for observation with very small angle openstril wrote:Still im thinking of observation/defence in case of use against ground targets.
JF
Re: Opening in front of Fl. 242
Helllo
Noticed some letters on the drawings posted by BO
The letters BU remind me of a drawing i found some years ago of a small building buildt in connection with KM flabatteries in Bergen in 1943. The small building was called a BU-Nische(B.Ü ?) Only half of it was visible over ground level, and had the same sideview as teh drawing of the room in the FL242.
Perhaps that small building had a similar purpose. Have problems finding the drawing now, perhaps Jos have it ?
Question is, what is a B.U-Nische. TT on same drawing from Bo ? Tischtafel ?
regards
stril
Noticed some letters on the drawings posted by BO
The letters BU remind me of a drawing i found some years ago of a small building buildt in connection with KM flabatteries in Bergen in 1943. The small building was called a BU-Nische(B.Ü ?) Only half of it was visible over ground level, and had the same sideview as teh drawing of the room in the FL242.
Perhaps that small building had a similar purpose. Have problems finding the drawing now, perhaps Jos have it ?
Question is, what is a B.U-Nische. TT on same drawing from Bo ? Tischtafel ?
regards
stril
Re: Opening in front of Fl. 242
on mine drawing (as bad as the drawig of Jos) i can read by the hole 'SE?WINKEL ?E?'.
so it looks that the angle of the 'roof' on he funnel was important.
g,Ruud
so it looks that the angle of the 'roof' on he funnel was important.
g,Ruud
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just an idea beobachtung unterschlupf?
oh, and the TT is the front view of a shelf(?) (plank)
gr, tim
oh, and the TT is the front view of a shelf(?) (plank)
gr, tim
Re: Opening in front of Fl. 242
Hello Friends
Did my best but I can't find anything on the B.U. , but I keep on searching .
Regards Jos
Did my best but I can't find anything on the B.U. , but I keep on searching .
Regards Jos