Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Hello
Here a drawing and a photo of a Ringstand 58 with ,what I think, a 9bP7 in Courseulles ( Normandie ).
Photo = Ben Muller
Drawing = SHM Vincennes
Regards Jos
Here a drawing and a photo of a Ringstand 58 with ,what I think, a 9bP7 in Courseulles ( Normandie ).
Photo = Ben Muller
Drawing = SHM Vincennes
Regards Jos
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Wow! Nice find jos!
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Hi,
Thanks for sharing with us Jos.
Brgds
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Thanks for sharing with us Jos.
Brgds
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Very interesting Jos!
Looks like someone decided to reduce the elements of a fortified observationpost to the absolute minimum (the lowest common denominator
Daniel
Looks like someone decided to reduce the elements of a fortified observationpost to the absolute minimum (the lowest common denominator
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Hi Jos,
This picture was also in the book of AC "Mythe ou Realité".
Nice bunker however!
According to AC's list two were built.
Greetings Jack.
This picture was also in the book of AC "Mythe ou Realité".
Nice bunker however!
According to AC's list two were built.
Greetings Jack.
Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Hi Jack
Yes , you are right , but a drawing with a picture can tell a thousand words .
Regards Jos
Yes , you are right , but a drawing with a picture can tell a thousand words .
Regards Jos
Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Here some pictures from Manuheb from a tobruk in W.n. 31 ,
looks that the Kleinstglocke was not placed in this tobruk yet .
Regards Jos
looks that the Kleinstglocke was not placed in this tobruk yet .
Regards Jos
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Think you are right Jos
Wish they have it measured ......
Dirk
Wish they have it measured ......
Dirk
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
has anyone measured this tobruk? i hope so and please let that person be so kind to give the plan to us all
The SHM plan of this Tobruk shows it has a door (passage) of 60 cm instead of 80 cm we can see at this picture on the original Tobruk they has put another new " ring " of concrete on which they can install the cupola so the Tobruk ring is raised a bit
We can see this very good at the SHM plan but we all know the SHM plans are full of errors so if anyone can give the dimensions of the one that is opened that could be a gain for all here
in the newspaper they said they studied each construction before reclosing ... so i ll think it surely means they have been measuring
the cupola installed must be this one here we can see the original Tobruk ring (other color of concrete also of what we can see on the pictures and the SHM plan we have as a base a Tobruk 58c with high door and passage of 60 cm
Dirk
The SHM plan of this Tobruk shows it has a door (passage) of 60 cm instead of 80 cm we can see at this picture on the original Tobruk they has put another new " ring " of concrete on which they can install the cupola so the Tobruk ring is raised a bit
We can see this very good at the SHM plan but we all know the SHM plans are full of errors so if anyone can give the dimensions of the one that is opened that could be a gain for all here
in the newspaper they said they studied each construction before reclosing ... so i ll think it surely means they have been measuring
the cupola installed must be this one here we can see the original Tobruk ring (other color of concrete also of what we can see on the pictures and the SHM plan we have as a base a Tobruk 58c with high door and passage of 60 cm
Dirk
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Jos your picture on top here is not Courseulles but Mont Fleury (Ver sur Mer)
it can t be courseulles because the soil is not sand ... look further for this one at the topic Bttr Ver sur Mer
it can t be courseulles because the soil is not sand ... look further for this one at the topic Bttr Ver sur Mer
Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Thanks Dirk
Maybe there were more tobruks build with a Kleinstglocke ??
Regards Jos
Maybe there were more tobruks build with a Kleinstglocke ??
Regards Jos
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
It looks that way
there are two with cuppola at Courseulles , identified by A Chazette but in a special tobruk (not the SHM plan)
one at Courseulles that didn t recieve his turret (you know the pictures)
one here at Mont Fleury ...... that s at least 4 already
there are two with cuppola at Courseulles , identified by A Chazette but in a special tobruk (not the SHM plan)
one at Courseulles that didn t recieve his turret (you know the pictures)
one here at Mont Fleury ...... that s at least 4 already
Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Hi
there are two different Tobruk with Kleinstglocke 9P7 à courseulles
one is on the SHM Draying, the other is the Tobrouk dig out few months ago.
on your Picturs Jos it's an other Tobrouk at Vers sur mer
there are two different Tobruk with Kleinstglocke 9P7 à courseulles
one is on the SHM Draying, the other is the Tobrouk dig out few months ago.
on your Picturs Jos it's an other Tobrouk at Vers sur mer
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That s what we thought so and that is why we put some topics of this here
So if you did find the Tobruk at Courseulles (the SHM model) can you please tell us or show us where this is because the two in the sea front fwith the cupollas there in Courseulles are two with rear entrances (we have pictures of the two) Hope to go further there in the courseulles topic ths evening
so can you place your tobruks in courseulles please ?
that s gonna give a good start here
Thanks if you do this
Dirk
So if you did find the Tobruk at Courseulles (the SHM model) can you please tell us or show us where this is because the two in the sea front fwith the cupollas there in Courseulles are two with rear entrances (we have pictures of the two) Hope to go further there in the courseulles topic ths evening
so can you place your tobruks in courseulles please ?
that s gonna give a good start here
Thanks if you do this
Dirk
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
If you say two tobruks with cupollas in Courseulles (and the one you dig out is one of them ... then you have noticed that the cupola has not been installed on the one you did dig out because if so the beton would be cracked up and that is not what we see on your pictures ....
Dirk
Dirk