Tobruk with Kleinstglocke

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Tobruk with Kleinstglocke

Post by jopaerya » 09 Apr 2010 18:25

Hello

Here a drawing and a photo of a Ringstand 58 with ,what I think, a 9bP7 in Courseulles ( Normandie ).

Photo = Ben Muller
Drawing = SHM Vincennes

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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke

Post by AvB » 10 Apr 2010 13:01

Wow! Nice find jos! :)

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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke

Post by Andrzej Ditrich » 10 Apr 2010 15:07

Hi,
Thanks for sharing with us Jos.

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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke

Post by 20P7 » 11 Apr 2010 15:49

Very interesting Jos!

Looks like someone decided to reduce the elements of a fortified observationpost to the absolute minimum (the lowest common denominator ;-)

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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke

Post by ducatim901 » 14 Apr 2010 19:23

Hi Jos,
This picture was also in the book of AC "Mythe ou Realité".
Nice bunker however!
According to AC's list two were built.
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke

Post by jopaerya » 14 Apr 2010 20:21

Hi Jack

Yes , you are right , but a drawing with a picture can tell a thousand words .

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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke

Post by jopaerya » 10 Jul 2013 19:18

Here some pictures from Manuheb from a tobruk in W.n. 31 ,
looks that the Kleinstglocke was not placed in this tobruk yet .

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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke

Post by dirk Peeters » 10 Jul 2013 19:59

Think you are right Jos
Wish they have it measured ......
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Post by dirk Peeters » 24 Sep 2013 16:25

has anyone measured this tobruk? i hope so and please let that person be so kind to give the plan to us all
The SHM plan of this Tobruk shows it has a door (passage) of 60 cm instead of 80 cm
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we can see at this picture on the original Tobruk they has put another new " ring " of concrete
00 1.jpg
on which they can install the cupola so the Tobruk ring is raised a bit
We can see this very good at the SHM plan
00 2.jpg
but we all know the SHM plans are full of errors so if anyone can give the dimensions of the one that is opened that could be a gain for all here
in the newspaper they said they studied each construction before reclosing ... so i ll think it surely means they have been measuring
the cupola installed must be this one
00 3.jpg
here we can see the original Tobruk ring (other color of concrete also
00 1a.jpg
of what we can see on the pictures and the SHM plan we have as a base a Tobruk 58c with high door and passage of 60 cm
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke

Post by dirk Peeters » 26 Sep 2013 13:24

Jos your picture on top here is not Courseulles but Mont Fleury (Ver sur Mer)
it can t be courseulles because the soil is not sand ...
Tobruk 05 00.jpg
look further for this one at the topic Bttr Ver sur Mer
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke

Post by jopaerya » 26 Sep 2013 13:50

Thanks Dirk

Maybe there were more tobruks build with a Kleinstglocke ??

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Post by dirk Peeters » 26 Sep 2013 13:52

It looks that way
there are two with cuppola at Courseulles , identified by A Chazette but in a special tobruk (not the SHM plan)
one at Courseulles that didn t recieve his turret (you know the pictures)
one here at Mont Fleury ...... that s at least 4 already

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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke

Post by bunker14 » 26 Sep 2013 16:06

Hi

there are two different Tobruk with Kleinstglocke 9P7 à courseulles

one is on the SHM Draying, the other is the Tobrouk dig out few months ago.

on your Picturs Jos it's an other Tobrouk at Vers sur mer

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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke

Post by dirk Peeters » 26 Sep 2013 16:22

That s what we thought so and that is why we put some topics of this here
So if you did find the Tobruk at Courseulles (the SHM model) can you please tell us or show us where this is because the two in the sea front fwith the cupollas there in Courseulles are two with rear entrances (we have pictures of the two) Hope to go further there in the courseulles topic ths evening
so can you place your tobruks in courseulles please ?
that s gonna give a good start here
Thanks if you do this
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke

Post by dirk Peeters » 26 Sep 2013 16:25

If you say two tobruks with cupollas in Courseulles (and the one you dig out is one of them ... then you have noticed that the cupola has not been installed on the one you did dig out because if so the beton would be cracked up and that is not what we see on your pictures ....
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