Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
I answer in French because my English is very bad
If someone can translate?
Le premier Tobrouk est de forme carré avec une Coupole.
Le second Tobrouk (celui de la photo) a bien eu une coupole mais juste posée, sans béton pour la fixer.
If someone can translate?
Le premier Tobrouk est de forme carré avec une Coupole.
Le second Tobrouk (celui de la photo) a bien eu une coupole mais juste posée, sans béton pour la fixer.
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
OK j ai compris
Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
First tobruk is square with a cupola.bunker14 wrote:I answer in French because my English is very bad
If someone can translate?
Le premier Tobrouk est de forme carré avec une Coupole.
Le second Tobrouk (celui de la photo) a bien eu une coupole mais juste posée, sans béton pour la fixer.
The second (the one of the picture) had a copula which was not fixed with concrete
Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
hi,
but how do you know that the bell is raised without sealer ??
best regards
but how do you know that the bell is raised without sealer ??
best regards
Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
hi
with aerial pictures and canadian document
bregs
with aerial pictures and canadian document
bregs
Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
good thank
best regards
best regards
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
OK if you say so it s clear . canadian documents
Thanks
Dirk
Thanks
Dirk
Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Hoi,
The exact position of the To with kleinstglocke of Mont-Fleury can be found at GSGS 923864.
Using this website http://www.echodelta.net/mbs/eng-welcome.php the coordinate in google earth can be found.
Translator : put in = vT923864 , result : 49°20'32'' - 0°31'19""
On google earth :
This is between Wn33 and Wn34.
I have found nothing until now.
Grtz,
Dirk T.
The exact position of the To with kleinstglocke of Mont-Fleury can be found at GSGS 923864.
Using this website http://www.echodelta.net/mbs/eng-welcome.php the coordinate in google earth can be found.
Translator : put in = vT923864 , result : 49°20'32'' - 0°31'19""
On google earth :
This is between Wn33 and Wn34.
I have found nothing until now.
Grtz,
Dirk T.
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
this is another position ... it s not easy ..
Would like to see some pictures where we can pinpoint them
There must be some evidence that is used in the book
Thanks Dirk
Would like to see some pictures where we can pinpoint them
There must be some evidence that is used in the book
Thanks Dirk
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
another thing
again the english picture here a picture of another tobruk but constructed with formsteine your opinion
does they appaer the same or is the photo with cuppola not longer ?
Thanks for answering
Dirk
again the english picture here a picture of another tobruk but constructed with formsteine your opinion
does they appaer the same or is the photo with cuppola not longer ?
Thanks for answering
Dirk
Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
How about the tobruks (Rs58c) with similar cupolas made of concrete in Hirtshals?
Photos/discussions in the norwegian kystfort-forum:
http://www.kystfort.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6519
http://www.kystfort.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6331
EDIT: I attached a photo from the first link above (it was taken and posted by Yngvar)
Photos/discussions in the norwegian kystfort-forum:
http://www.kystfort.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6519
http://www.kystfort.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6331
EDIT: I attached a photo from the first link above (it was taken and posted by Yngvar)
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Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
we have measured them in Hirsthals
we could not say they are the same
in Hirsthals they are rotating
Dirk
we could not say they are the same
in Hirsthals they are rotating
Dirk
Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
That's interesting. Any idea of the purpose of these? Although the cupola rotating would compensate for the small opening (the large one, not those for observation), but still I can't see how a MG and crew would "fit" inside..?dirk Peeters wrote:in Hirsthals they are rotating
According to the info given by the museum, there were mortars here - could it be used with a 5cm festungsgranatenwerfer?
Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Doubt it was for mortar. The firing angle would have been very limited and mortar crews were already decently protected simply by their low position.
From the inside these cupolas are bigger than they look - I think there was enough room for an lMG mount (see combination of Lars' drawing and 944S6 below).
From the inside these cupolas are bigger than they look - I think there was enough room for an lMG mount (see combination of Lars' drawing and 944S6 below).
Re: Tobruk with Kleinstglocke
Yes, that makes sense.TH wrote:Doubt it was for mortar. The firing angle would have been very limited and mortar crews were already decently protected simply by their low position.
My opinion was that it's to thight for the gunner to operate the MG, not to mention the loader as well. I'm not 100% convinced by the drawing in that respect, but I haven't been inside the bunker, nor taken measurements, so I'm not gonna argue against those who haveTH wrote:From the inside these cupolas are bigger than they look - I think there was enough room for an lMG mount (see combination of Lars' drawing and 944S6 below).
Thanks!
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