613 found in the Sudwall

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613 found in the Sudwall

Post by jopaerya » 13 Jul 2010 07:24

Hello All

In W.N. 025 in Stp.Gr. Port de Bouc a 613 is (re)found , the bunker was used by the Art.Reg. II./338 .

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Re: 613 found in the Sudwall

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Re: 613 found in the Sudwall

Post by AvB » 13 Jul 2010 12:31

Wow! Südwall is still full of surprises.. It looks recently unearthed?
Strange floor inside. Looks like a the lighter 462P01.

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Re: 613 found in the Sudwall

Post by P. Heijkoop » 13 Jul 2010 15:51

Hi,

The interior doesn;t look really German, although the floor could be adapted ofcourse...
Makes me think of the 1-Schartentuerme...
Could it be a Tschjech turret..... I wonder...
The steel and shape also smells strange...

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Re: 613 found in the Sudwall

Post by P. Heijkoop » 13 Jul 2010 16:29

please check Chazette's green book and an aeriel picture of the bunker...
my bet is on a Tscjech one...

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Re: 613 found in the Sudwall

Post by jopaerya » 13 Jul 2010 17:00

Hello

What strike me is the extra amount of concrete was placed in front of the bunker in front of the turret ,
outside the squire 613 form , this would indicate that this turret was larger then the standaard one ??

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Re: 613 found in the Sudwall

Post by P. Heijkoop » 13 Jul 2010 17:29

indeed... normally a 463 is around 1,25m
the Tjech one is about 1,50m, so it's possible the wall was strengthened...

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Re: 613 found in the Sudwall

Post by jopaerya » 13 Jul 2010 17:55

Hello

Here a drawing from a Czech turret with the same inside as on the photo 019 .
please note the same " Einstiegsegment "

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Re: 613 found in the Sudwall

Post by P. Heijkoop » 13 Jul 2010 18:06

Nice !
From what turret is this drawing..
The turret should be in the range 780P4-784P4.

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Re: 613 found in the Sudwall

Post by jopaerya » 13 Jul 2010 18:32

HI Peter

I have no Idea , the drawing is from the Czech Denkschift , the drawing is from a part that is about 1,2,3 and 4
M.G. turrets . The only way could that some one could make picture from the inside of the turret to see if there
are any Czech M.g. openings .

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Re: 613 found in the Sudwall

Post by P. Heijkoop » 13 Jul 2010 18:38

indeed, that's the only way to see if the're openings there and if they're for observation
or MG...
interesting !

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Re: 613 found in the Sudwall

Post by AvB » 13 Jul 2010 19:46

The outside fooled me on this one, the opening for the periscope doesn't look 462P01ish too.
This would be a unique one.. Chazette posted a plan with the different Einbauarten.
Interesting to see T 300 (mm) and T 200 too!
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Re: 613 found in the Sudwall

Post by jopaerya » 13 Jul 2010 20:19

Hi Arthur

On this original drawing ( from Alain ) the small room for the 2 extra antenna niches is missing .

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Re: 613 found in the Sudwall

Post by P. Heijkoop » 13 Jul 2010 20:36

that it is integrated in this bunker is most likely the reason for the extended nose on the bunker!

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Re: 613 found in the Sudwall

Post by jopaerya » 13 Jul 2010 20:46

Hello

Here a drawing from Dirk Peeters from the Czech turret .

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