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Re: German limbers

Post by Sturm78 » 16 Apr 2013 13:57

Hi all,

An 10.5cm leFH18 howitzer limber with woodens wheels:

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Re: German limbers

Post by Sturm78 » 19 Apr 2013 17:42

Hi all,

A 15cm sFH18 limber :

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Re: German limbers

Post by Sturm78 » 29 Jul 2013 23:31

Hi all,

15cm sFH18 limber:

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Re: German limbers

Post by peeved » 20 Sep 2013 21:32

3,7 cm Pak limber/field kitchen from exp.eBay.de auction http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_sacat=0& ... 701&_rdc=1

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Re: German limbers

Post by Clive Mortimore » 21 Sep 2013 14:07

peeved wrote:3,7 cm Pak limber/field kitchen from exp.eBay.de auction http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_sacat=0& ... 701&_rdc=1

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Hi Markus

It is a small cart being used as a limber. What looks like a chimney for a field kitchen is a pipe on the wall of the building looking at the shaddow it has formed. All the same it is a strange little limber/cart not a standard German Army one that I have seen before. It does look a bit like a If.8 but the wheels seem to large and not a standard type. The poles (sorry don't know the correct terminology) attaching the horse to the cart are also not standard for an If.8. Thanks for the interesting photo.

I was watching various You Tube clips the other night and there was a 3.7 cm Pak being brought into action by horses, like a fool I did not bookmark the video. This gun was pulled by four horses, two of them mounted like traditonal horse artillery.

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Re: German limbers

Post by peeved » 21 Sep 2013 18:31

Hi Clive,

And thanks for the in-depth analysis.

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Re: German limbers

Post by peeved » 22 Sep 2013 21:38

Odd Russian limber for the 45 mm AT gun from exp. eBay.de auction N:o 370784979008.

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Re: German limbers

Post by Sturm78 » 06 Nov 2013 13:15

Hi all,

Not German limber... but british.

I think they are the limbers for the 18/25pdr Mk.I guns. Is this correct?

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Re: German limbers

Post by gambadier » 10 Nov 2013 07:37

Vehicle towed guns without split trails did not have limbers. They did have ammunition trailers.

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Re: German limbers

Post by Clive Mortimore » 10 Nov 2013 08:48

gambadier wrote:Vehicle towed guns without split trails did not have limbers. They did have ammunition trailers.
Hi Gambadier

This is a very confusing statement. The photo shows 25pdr shells from 25 pdr Mk1 guns. Now these guns could either be on MkIV carriages or Mk V carriages. Mk IV being a box trail and MkV being a split trail. Both had the same limber, as in the photo. So was it a limber if the gun was mounted on the MkV carriage or an ammunition trailer if the gun was on a MkIV carriage? I think the gunners called them all, limbers.

The same limber was used for the 18 pdr MkIV on carriage MkIV or MkV. The difference being the ammunition trays. The 18pdr having fixed ammunition and the 25 pdr separate ammunition.

Even when I was in the British army in the 1970s we "limbered up" our guns when they were attached to the gun tractor. We had a second 1 tonne Land Rover for each gun known as the "Limber tractor" for carrying the ammunition.


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Re: German limbers

Post by gambadier » 11 Nov 2013 10:04

Limber goes back to the horse era.

A limber was required to lift the trails and provide a connection between the guns and the horse harness. Of course post horse split trail guns were towed without a limber, eg 5.5-in. Some, such as the M1 Carriage used with 155mm G and 8-in How could be towed with or without a limber.

If you get around to looking at the relevant User Handbooks, eg for 25-pr, you'll find the items in the photo called Ammunition Trailers. This is the correct UK military term in the WW2 era. If you are happy with terminogical sloppiness be my guest.

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Re: German limbers

Post by Sturm78 » 13 Feb 2014 14:58

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Re: German limbers

Post by Sturm78 » 27 Mar 2014 21:24

Hi all,

15cm sFH18 barrel trailer:

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Re: German limbers

Post by Sturm78 » 28 May 2014 10:25

Hi all,

schwere Protze 18 für Bespannung

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Re: German limbers

Post by Sturm78 » 12 Feb 2015 23:42

Hi all,

10.5cm leFH18 limber:

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