Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
Hi,
today I get crazy about the two Mammut at s´Gravenhage/NL...
I. "Anton"
WN 66HM/BP 223
V 143, M 151, 656
II. "Moritz"
Stp. XXXXV L
with a lot of Küver and a VF Mammut Stand
Are these two Mammut´s are in operation at the same time... one for the Marine "Seetakt" and one for the Luftwaffe FuMG?
or are they rearranged after they completed the V 143 April 1944?
greetz
Alex
today I get crazy about the two Mammut at s´Gravenhage/NL...
I. "Anton"
WN 66HM/BP 223
V 143, M 151, 656
II. "Moritz"
Stp. XXXXV L
with a lot of Küver and a VF Mammut Stand
Are these two Mammut´s are in operation at the same time... one for the Marine "Seetakt" and one for the Luftwaffe FuMG?
or are they rearranged after they completed the V 143 April 1944?
greetz
Alex
Re: Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
However i have not seen any documents the Mammuts were both in use at the same time.
As you wrote the V143 was in use by the KM, and it monitored the shipmovements.
The LW Mammut was used for the incoming airplanes, the Netherlands was one of the most important (and shortest) route to Germany.
Greetings Jack.
As you wrote the V143 was in use by the KM, and it monitored the shipmovements.
The LW Mammut was used for the incoming airplanes, the Netherlands was one of the most important (and shortest) route to Germany.
Greetings Jack.
Re: Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
Hello Alex and Jack
The naval radarpost "Anton" at W.n. 66 H.M. was equiped with Fu.M.O.52 ( Mammut ) , Fu.M.O.5 ( Boulogne )
and a Fu.M.B. 27 on 01-04-1945 , for the troops there 6 NCO's and 30 troops at the radarsite .
The Luftwaffepost "Moritz" at XXXXV L this Mammut with troops of the 13./Lu Na.Regt Holland 1/4/27 .
This Mammut was placed as you can see on the picture , for the purpose of this radar the are a lot of stories
should be for the V1 rockets , early warning ( allied bombers ) for the Luftflotte Reich and as last is the placed
because other Luftwaffe radarpost ( Bremse and Hamster) were captured by the Allied forces , so to fill up the gap.
The real reason is unknown for me . The Mammut was not placed on a L 485 but on a V.F , this was also used
at Plougasnou ( Pfauenauge ) Also two Mammuts placed close together is also seen a Griz Nez and Wels , but surely
not so close as at Scheveningen .
Photo = Tim de Mos
Regards Jos
The naval radarpost "Anton" at W.n. 66 H.M. was equiped with Fu.M.O.52 ( Mammut ) , Fu.M.O.5 ( Boulogne )
and a Fu.M.B. 27 on 01-04-1945 , for the troops there 6 NCO's and 30 troops at the radarsite .
The Luftwaffepost "Moritz" at XXXXV L this Mammut with troops of the 13./Lu Na.Regt Holland 1/4/27 .
This Mammut was placed as you can see on the picture , for the purpose of this radar the are a lot of stories
should be for the V1 rockets , early warning ( allied bombers ) for the Luftflotte Reich and as last is the placed
because other Luftwaffe radarpost ( Bremse and Hamster) were captured by the Allied forces , so to fill up the gap.
The real reason is unknown for me . The Mammut was not placed on a L 485 but on a V.F , this was also used
at Plougasnou ( Pfauenauge ) Also two Mammuts placed close together is also seen a Griz Nez and Wels , but surely
not so close as at Scheveningen .
Photo = Tim de Mos
Regards Jos
Re: Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
Hello Jos & Jack,
thanx for taking time to look for infos!
If there stand 2 huge mammut side by side it would be great to found a picture
I agree with your troops... I have also:
15.02.1943:
8./743 (0/2/8)
8./Ln.Rgt.211 Mammut Gerät (0/2/14)
L.Res.Flak 2./831 (?)
Ld.Halbzug 477/VI
29 maart 1943:
5./IL.831 Mammut Gerät (0/4/20),
8./Luftnachrichten Regiment 211 (0/2/16 manschappen)
L-Schtz. 477/VI (0/2/11)
24 augustus 1944:
13./Luftnachrichten Reserve Regiment (1/4/27)
L-Schtz. 477/VI (0/5/10)
DAWA mentioned:
Luftnachrichten
Betriebs- und
Auswertezug
II./LnRgt 223
SAMS listed:
1 x commandobunker
3 x mitrailleuropstelling
2 x luchtafweergeschut
4 x bergplaats
9 x manschappenverblijf
3 x munitiebergplaats
1 x kantine/keuken
1 x machinebunker
3 x onbekend
1 x radarbunker
2 x tobruk
we found a lot of Küver and the VF Mammut... are they also equipped with a smaller portable Radar like Plougasnou?
btw. what is the BRV nr of the Stp.?
greetz
Alex
thanx for taking time to look for infos!
If there stand 2 huge mammut side by side it would be great to found a picture
I agree with your troops... I have also:
15.02.1943:
8./743 (0/2/8)
8./Ln.Rgt.211 Mammut Gerät (0/2/14)
L.Res.Flak 2./831 (?)
Ld.Halbzug 477/VI
29 maart 1943:
5./IL.831 Mammut Gerät (0/4/20),
8./Luftnachrichten Regiment 211 (0/2/16 manschappen)
L-Schtz. 477/VI (0/2/11)
24 augustus 1944:
13./Luftnachrichten Reserve Regiment (1/4/27)
L-Schtz. 477/VI (0/5/10)
DAWA mentioned:
Luftnachrichten
Betriebs- und
Auswertezug
II./LnRgt 223
SAMS listed:
1 x commandobunker
3 x mitrailleuropstelling
2 x luchtafweergeschut
4 x bergplaats
9 x manschappenverblijf
3 x munitiebergplaats
1 x kantine/keuken
1 x machinebunker
3 x onbekend
1 x radarbunker
2 x tobruk
we found a lot of Küver and the VF Mammut... are they also equipped with a smaller portable Radar like Plougasnou?
btw. what is the BRV nr of the Stp.?
greetz
Alex
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Re: Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
hi alex and jos,
alex: the luftwaffe mammut (moritz) was never measured by the B.R.V., most likely because it was allready covered with ground before the drawing begun.
(same goes for some other bunkers and complexes in and around scheveningen...)
alex, may i ask you were you got the information about 15.02.1943 and 29 maart 1943? i can't find any maps of that date in my archive
i do have: a truppeneinsatzkarte dated 23-3-44, see below. (source: bundesarchiv)
jos, very intresting information about the 2 other devices! they were put in action very late in the war?!
the mammut radar is mention on multiple maps, but the other 2 i have never seen.
we have found one square concrete foundation about 2X4 mtr., maybe for the f.u.m.o. 5?
the distance between the 2 radars was only 870 mtrs.
anoyone know wat hte dark horizontal stripes on the radarscreen and the horizontal beam on top are?
for lifting up parts?
gr, tim
alex: the luftwaffe mammut (moritz) was never measured by the B.R.V., most likely because it was allready covered with ground before the drawing begun.
(same goes for some other bunkers and complexes in and around scheveningen...)
alex, may i ask you were you got the information about 15.02.1943 and 29 maart 1943? i can't find any maps of that date in my archive
i do have: a truppeneinsatzkarte dated 23-3-44, see below. (source: bundesarchiv)
jos, very intresting information about the 2 other devices! they were put in action very late in the war?!
the mammut radar is mention on multiple maps, but the other 2 i have never seen.
we have found one square concrete foundation about 2X4 mtr., maybe for the f.u.m.o. 5?
the distance between the 2 radars was only 870 mtrs.
anoyone know wat hte dark horizontal stripes on the radarscreen and the horizontal beam on top are?
for lifting up parts?
gr, tim
Re: Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
Hello Tim
Here the note from M.O.K. Nord from early 1945 , the Fu.M.O.5 ( Seetakt ) Boulogne was
"eingegangen"= recieved and the note that this device should be placed at Kijkduin .
Regards Jos
Here the note from M.O.K. Nord from early 1945 , the Fu.M.O.5 ( Seetakt ) Boulogne was
"eingegangen"= recieved and the note that this device should be placed at Kijkduin .
Regards Jos
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Re: Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
very cool jos!
could this very late deployment have something to do with kleinkampfmittel that was still used for the dutch coast?
pr did it happen more often? (such late deployment)
could this very late deployment have something to do with kleinkampfmittel that was still used for the dutch coast?
pr did it happen more often? (such late deployment)
Re: Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
Hi,
Tim wrote:
we have found one square concrete foundation about 2X4 mtr., maybe for the f.u.m.o. 5?
The FuMO 5 was placed either on a square concrete slab or four small sockles.
The legs were about five meters across. Please see:
http://www.gyges.dk/radartypes_recognition_guide.htm
bregds
SES
Tim wrote:
we have found one square concrete foundation about 2X4 mtr., maybe for the f.u.m.o. 5?
The FuMO 5 was placed either on a square concrete slab or four small sockles.
The legs were about five meters across. Please see:
http://www.gyges.dk/radartypes_recognition_guide.htm
bregds
SES
Re: Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
Hello Tim,
found this info in the Bijlage C/D from "Van verdediging naar bescherming"... the book you mediated me
if the VF are the same as at Plougasnou... has the one at Kartellaan also attached buildings?
soory no clue about the "horizontal stripes"... maybe Doc SES?!
greetz
Alex
found this info in the Bijlage C/D from "Van verdediging naar bescherming"... the book you mediated me
if the VF are the same as at Plougasnou... has the one at Kartellaan also attached buildings?
soory no clue about the "horizontal stripes"... maybe Doc SES?!
greetz
Alex
Re: Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
Hello All
For the use of the Fu.M.O. 5 , I am not sure but I think the Biber and Linzen are hard to detec by radar ??
for the horizontal beam on top of the radar , strange is that it looks like a rail for a curtain because one
side is rounded ??
Regards |Jos
For the use of the Fu.M.O. 5 , I am not sure but I think the Biber and Linzen are hard to detec by radar ??
for the horizontal beam on top of the radar , strange is that it looks like a rail for a curtain because one
side is rounded ??
Regards |Jos
Re: Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
Sorry no, I have haven't got a clue.AW wrote:Hello Tim,
soory no clue about the "horizontal stripes"... maybe Doc SES?!
greetz
Alex
bregds
SES
Re: Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
I thought (read where ??) that they where for lifting heavy parts.SES wrote:Sorry no, I have haven't got a clue.AW wrote:Hello Tim,
soory no clue about the "horizontal stripes"... maybe Doc SES?!
greetz
Alex
bregds
SES
But can't confirm with documentation.
g,Ruud
Re: Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
Ruud,
thats sounds good... maybe a kind of service balcony?
greetz
Alex
thats sounds good... maybe a kind of service balcony?
greetz
Alex
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Re: Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
hi guys, here another nice picture to think about:
the right screen is later replaced by the V143 with fumo 52, on the left another unknown radar
the right one was built allready in 1941 (written on the backside of the photo), the left one in 1942.
maybe someone recognize the type of radar? could it be experimental?
source: D.S.O. gemeente den haag
gr, tim
the right screen is later replaced by the V143 with fumo 52, on the left another unknown radar
the right one was built allready in 1941 (written on the backside of the photo), the left one in 1942.
maybe someone recognize the type of radar? could it be experimental?
source: D.S.O. gemeente den haag
gr, tim
Re: Mammut Gerät Kijkduin/Westduin
Hello Tim
It's hard to see , but the left device looks a box . They are used for camouflage .
Photo = Ebay.de
Regads Jos
It's hard to see , but the left device looks a box . They are used for camouflage .
Photo = Ebay.de
Regads Jos
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