Pak K36(t) embrasure...

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Pak K36(t) embrasure...

Post by corsair5517 » 13 Jun 2011 22:09

Hiya gang; here's the embrasure for the 4.7cm at Nicolle Tower; this used to sit in the woods a lot more!! I don't know the ins and outs of this but perhaps before it actually takes off down the hillside at a precipitous rate of knots, maybe it is of some value to someone in here??
The Jersey branch of CIOS aren't too bothered, and the chairman suggested putting it on here.....

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So. Any takers for a behemoth piece of steel?? I have no idea whether salvaging it would be feasible, or in fact if the current owner - also unknown! - would be willing to sell/give it.
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Re: Pak K36(t) embrasure...

Post by AvB » 13 Jun 2011 22:14

Wow, again an armoured part. It's one hell of a week ;)
Maybe someone in Boulogne-sur-Mer wants to put this one back into a 631. :lol:

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Re: Pak K36(t) embrasure...

Post by Mark89 » 13 Jun 2011 23:12

@ Corsair: Amazing, but I think it would be best if you removed this thread due to the hawk-eyed parts-robbers that scout the internet for just these things.
We have already lost one of these very special embrasures (this one) to these kind of people (and lots more items), so I think it would be best to only contact the right people about this. Maybe even better to just keep it quiet to save it for the next generation of bunker-enthusiasts.

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Re: Pak K36(t) embrasure...

Post by corsair5517 » 14 Jun 2011 07:00

Mark; at some stage in the not too distant future, that embrasure is going to fall down the cliff due to subsidence so it is going to be removed one way or the other, so the next generation are going to miss it anyway. It's hard enough to walk into, and getting it out would be a bloody nightmare because of the weight so I'll leave it just for a while.
Besides, it's right above some houses and fenced off - it'd be very hard to remove it surreptitiously!!
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Re: Pak K36(t) embrasure...

Post by Mark89 » 14 Jun 2011 07:48

corsair5517 wrote:Mark; at some stage in the not too distant future, that embrasure is going to fall down the cliff due to subsidence so it is going to be removed one way or the other, so the next generation are going to miss it anyway. It's hard enough to walk into, and getting it out would be a bloody nightmare because of the weight so I'll leave it just for a while.
Besides, it's right above some houses and fenced off - it'd be very hard to remove it surreptitiously!!
You've got a point there. Think I haven't yet fully recovered from this story.

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Post by corsair5517 » 14 Jun 2011 09:02

That was a retrieval, though I think...rather than a demolition??
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Re: Pak K36(t) embrasure...

Post by jbb20p7 » 14 Jun 2011 14:32

Hello,

Hoooooo ... nice found too 8O

Bye :wink:
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Post by corsair5517 » 14 Jun 2011 15:31

This isn't a "lost" one fellas; everyone knows where it is but no-one realised until quite recently just how much of the cliff had eroded...
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Re: Pak K36(t) embrasure...

Post by AvB » 14 Jun 2011 16:02

So was this a Festungspak in open position with the embrasure mounted on a custom made rig?

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Re: Pak K36(t) embrasure...

Post by jopaerya » 14 Jun 2011 16:07

Hello Corsair5517

Would be nice to know why this embrasure was placed there , the steelwork that hold this embrasure
together is different then the one in Lorient , this one was placed in a 612 on a pivot .
I hope it's not sold as scrap , maybe there is a museum that will adopt it .

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Re: Pak K36(t) embrasure...

Post by corsair5517 » 14 Jun 2011 16:55

This position overlooks an awful lot of open ground leading ultimately to Greve D'Azette and St Clements bay, although it would have been originally an awful long way back in the woods, I'd've thought, at the time. There is apparently a picture in "Jersey besieged, 1944" on pages 15 and 16: a book which I do not possess.

I'd be unhappy if it were scrapped as well, but if no-one has a use for it, then that will probably be its ultimate fate.
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Re: Pak K36(t) embrasure...

Post by Mark89 » 14 Jun 2011 17:43

corsair5517 wrote:That was a retrieval, though I think...rather than a demolition??
They destroyed the front of the bunker to get the gun with embrasure out. Rather nicely preserved bunker it was too; they even found some ammo-cases inside. Story here.

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Re: Pak K36(t) embrasure...

Post by JKernwerk » 15 Jun 2011 18:00

Hi Mark and corsair,
To me this was a shock.
They demolished a nce bunker just to get the gun.
I heard everything had to happen fast but they could have removed the gun only.
Have been sleeping bad about the whole happening at Boulogne.
The system of the Festungspak is very photogenic and nice but to demolish a nice 631 for it....
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Post by corsair5517 » 22 Jun 2011 20:54

Now, these were apparently peculiar to Jersey, these field modded PakK36(t)s; mounted on a locally sourced turntable and with a mock summer house built around them...

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There were 4 on the island and this is the last of 'em...
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Re: Pak K36(t) embrasure...

Post by corsair5517 » 24 Jun 2011 17:06

Yet another shot of this "summer house"...

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... this courtesy of "Jersey Besieged 1944" and I quote..

"... emplaced at W.N. Nicolle (sic) Tower overlooking the flat land to the rear of Samares Manor where an airborne landing was anticipated"
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