German artillery with barrel blown up

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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by tigre » 22 Jan 2015 01:15

Hello to all :D; something more..................

Poland - Fall 1939!

A sFH 18 with its gun barrel blown up.

Source: http://odkrywca.pl/pokaz_watek.php?id=736157

Cheers. Raul M 8-).
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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by glushenko » 27 Jan 2015 10:01

German howitzer "21cm Morser M.10" with a broken barrel.
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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by Sturm78 » 27 Feb 2015 10:22

Hi all,

An 15cm sIG33 :

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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Mar 2015 12:38

Hi all,

An 15cm sFH18 howitzer:

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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by TiesG » 17 Mar 2015 13:05

8,8cm. Marine Flak Batterie Rottum (island north of Groningen, Holland) M.Fl.A. 216
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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by Sheldrake » 17 Mar 2015 14:14

Spontoon wrote:Were these all accidental explosions, or "spiking' the guns?
German soldiers did have a duty to prevent weapons from falling into the hnads of the enemy. Given the number of Germans tanks which were destroyed by their crews, it would seem logical that guns which could not be moved were destroyed if at all possible. The most effective way to destroy the gun was to destroy the barrel. One way to do this was to plug the muzzle with an HE round and then fire it - with a very long lanyard.

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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by Grzesio » 17 Mar 2015 22:15

There were special HE charges Sprengpatrone Z for destroying gun barrels, made in numerous sizes for calibres from 3.7 cm on.

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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by Sturm78 » 28 Apr 2015 10:59

Hi all,

An image from EBay: I think an 10.5cm leFH16 howitzer but I am not sure

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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by Sturm78 » 26 May 2015 11:15

Hi all,

An 15cm sFH18 howitzer:

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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Jun 2015 22:55

Hi all,

21cm Mrs 18:

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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by Yoozername » 18 Jun 2015 06:49

As far as the 15cm sFH18 howitzer photos, I think that the barrels are actually being destroyed through a HE charge, and not the propellant. To see so many posed photos in a relaxed setting seems to imply that this was occurring somewhere behind German lines. If one spikes a gun intentionally, it is usually during a chaotic 'all hands' scenario.

Whatever is happening is certainly destroying an expensive heavy weapon. It seems that the barrels were sleeved. An outer layer seems to bulge out. These "accidents" probably inflicted casualties if it was crewed. More than likely a fusing issue. Most HE rounds are barrel-safe in that it takes a certain amount of time for the mechanism to arm even beyond the end of the tube. A failure so far back from the end of the barrel seems to imply that this occurring near the initial rifling. The rounds may have stuck, this could arm the round, but the fuse still needs something to detonate the charge. It could be that once the round is stuck, pressure blasts past the thread. This might set of the fuse.

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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by forttravel » 11 Jul 2015 12:47

I ww (1918) 15 cm barrel destroyed by overload of propellant. Good visible two layers of barrel.
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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by Clive Mortimore » 11 Jul 2015 13:44

Yoozername wrote:As far as the 15cm sFH18 howitzer photos, I think that the barrels are actually being destroyed through a HE charge, and not the propellant. To see so many posed photos in a relaxed setting seems to imply that this was occurring somewhere behind German lines. If one spikes a gun intentionally, it is usually during a chaotic 'all hands' scenario.

Whatever is happening is certainly destroying an expensive heavy weapon. It seems that the barrels were sleeved. An outer layer seems to bulge out. These "accidents" probably inflicted casualties if it was crewed. More than likely a fusing issue. Most HE rounds are barrel-safe in that it takes a certain amount of time for the mechanism to arm even beyond the end of the tube. A failure so far back from the end of the barrel seems to imply that this occurring near the initial rifling. The rounds may have stuck, this could arm the round, but the fuse still needs something to detonate the charge. It could be that once the round is stuck, pressure blasts past the thread. This might set of the fuse.
Hi Yoozername

I would agree about the guns being spiked. If they were photos of spiked guns of a retreating army they would have the enemy troops around them, not the army who owns them.

Too many of the 15cm s FH 18s have a similar demise, therefore it is either a design problem of the chamber or an ammunition flaw. The number of photos of different guns does suggest it was a known problem. It does seem strange that the Germans were well known for their extensive documentation of things that a record of this problem has not come to light.

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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by Sturm78 » 20 Aug 2015 10:53

Hi all,

Not German but.....a belgian 120mm Mle 1931 gun:

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Re: German artillery with barrel blown up

Post by Sturm78 » 21 Aug 2015 10:01

Hi all,

An 10.5cm leFH18 howitzer:

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