7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

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7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby jopaerya » 13 Oct 2011 12:27

Hello

According to this site this should be a 7.5 cm Tl 2 Skoda but it looks to me a 7.5 cm Bofors ??
http://www.luchtdoelartillerie.nl/materieel15.php

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Re: 7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby Clive Mortimore » 13 Oct 2011 14:09

jopaerya wrote:Hello

According to this site this should be a 7.5 cm Tl 2 Skoda but it looks to me a 7.5 cm Bofors ??
http://www.luchtdoelartillerie.nl/materieel15.php

Regards Jos


Hi Jos

I agree it looks more Bofor than Skoda. Could it be a 8 cm for the Dutch East Indies?

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Re: 7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby jopaerya » 13 Oct 2011 15:58

Hi Clive

The photo's that I have seen so far of the 8 cm Id Bofors are all static one's ??

Photo = Beeldbank wo2

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Re: 7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby John T » 13 Oct 2011 19:03

jopaerya wrote:Hi Clive

The photo's that I have seen so far of the 8 cm Id Bofors are all static one's ??

Regards Jos


The exportpermits lists 20 guns in field mounting (that use to means mobile in Swedish parlance)
to "seiner Excellens dem Herrn Minister der Kolonien im Haag"
Ie Dutch East Indies.

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Re: 7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby Clive Mortimore » 13 Oct 2011 19:32

Hi Jos and John

On Nuyt's Overvalwagen site there is quite a bit of information on KNLI Bofors http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/message/1160930726/Bofors+heavy+AA+guns+with+KNIL

Edit: I am not too sure if the gun on luchtdoelartillerie site is a KNLI 8 cm but it is a Bofor not a Skoda. I had a look at the other guns on the site and the sourcing of photos leaves a little to be desired. The Vickers 75mm is a Turkish one from the Vickers Photo Archive http://www.dockmuseum.org.uk/archive/categories.asp?subject=Armaments not a Dutch one despite there being photos of Dutch, Turkish, Romanian, Danish and Lithuanian versions of this gun in the same collection. Could the photo of the Skoda be a victim of this sourcing?
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Re: 7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby jopaerya » 13 Oct 2011 20:11

Thanks for your information .

Can we agree that the photo from Beelbankww2 is a 8 cm Bofors , because it does not look like the 7.5 cm Bofors
M 1929 the typical look of the heavy bofors flakguns are the two retrievers on top and under the barrel .
If you see the 8 cm Bofors this one does not have that . Second quistion does the mobile 8 cm Bofors looks the same
as the static one ??

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Re: 7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby Clive Mortimore » 13 Oct 2011 20:41

jopaerya wrote:Thanks for your information .

Can we agree that the photo from Beelbankww2 is a 8 cm Bofors , because it does not look like the 7.5 cm Bofors
M 1929 the typical look of the heavy bofors flakguns are the two retrievers on top and under the barrel .
If you see the 8 cm Bofors this one does not have that . Second quistion does the mobile 8 cm Bofors looks the same
as the static one ??

Regards Jos


Hi Jos

Your photo is of the static 8 cm. The mobile 8cm looks like the gun from the luchtdoelartillerie, but has a longer buffer (upper recoil cylinder). It is this difference that now makes me think that the luchtdoelartillerie photo is not a KNLI 8 cm Bofors but another Bofors.

Edit;http://www.ww2incolor.com/hungary/800mm+Bofors-MAVAG+AA+Gun.html a Hungarian 8 cm Bofors
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Re: 7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby jopaerya » 14 Oct 2011 09:13

Here some more picture of what I think is as 7.5 cm Bofors

(1) Siam ( Thailand)
(2) Sweden
(3) Finnland

Picture's = Beeldbankww2 and Ebay
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Re: 7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby jopaerya » 14 Oct 2011 12:30

Hello

Here the Chinese 7.5 cm Bofors http://blog.xuite.net/liben/history/51183782

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Re: 7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby jopaerya » 14 Oct 2011 12:41

Hello again

This must be a 8 cm Hungarian Bofors made by MAVAG from Relicnews .

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Re: 7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby jopaerya » 14 Oct 2011 12:51

Some remarks , please shoot at them .

The first photo has four wheels

The other picture's have two wheels and the pivot must be put on place with ropes

The first photo has also horizontal retrievers

This model M1929 could be made with different calibers 7.5 cm , 7.62 cm , 8 cm and even a 10.5 cm

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Re: 7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby Clive Mortimore » 14 Oct 2011 20:08

Hi Jos

Both the 10.5 cm and the 8 cm KNIL guns have 4 wheeled carriages. Could the first photo be a later version of the 7.5 cm gun?

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Re: 7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby jopaerya » 14 Oct 2011 22:09

Hi Clive

I think that you are right , maybe the first photo could be from Dutch pre-war trails .

Regards Jos

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Re: 7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby John T » 15 Oct 2011 19:30

jopaerya wrote:Thanks for your information .

Can we agree that the photo from Beelbankww2 is a 8 cm Bofors
Regards Jos

:oops:

The photo looks like the Swedish 75mm m/37, The last guns delivered to NEI where sent after the war started so I presume they would like to get the latest version.

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Re: 7.5 cm Bofors Flak M1929

Postby nuyt » 15 Oct 2011 21:02

Quote from my manuscript Dutch Guns:

"On October 30th 1933, Wilton-Fijenoord offered the Dutch military authorities a range of Bofors anti-aircraft weapons : 7,5 cm and 7,62 L/50 and 8 cm L/50 weapons."

The Dutch picked the Vickers after lenghty trials in 1935.

KNIL had two versions of 8cm, the mobile Bofors one and the fixed Wilton-Fijenoord-Bofors.

If this gun on Jos's pic is of a later version, than it has nothing to do with the Dutch forces


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