The mother of all Tobruks

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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by dirk Peeters » 02 Feb 2012, 19:43

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Here we have the bottom of the drawning unfortunately ists not complete
but we have the name and the date 19 12 42
Somebody has the whole document o r at least the bottom of the page ?

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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by TUS » 02 Feb 2012, 21:25

Very nice drawings

Thank you Dirk and off course a big thanks to Jos as well :D

But as I read the overview, it clearly defines the "Ringstand in Flügelmauer" as being something different than the Bauform 58c?! Or is that just me? :?
But nice to see the term "Ringstand" used in relation the the "Offener Beobachter"

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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by jopaerya » 02 Feb 2012, 21:37

Hi Tønnes

I think the "Offener Beobachter" is a function not a type name .
Ringstand and Tobruk are collective names , most Tobruks are for light
weapons and devices and the Ringstand name was even used for 15.2 cm guns .

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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by Lars Bertelsen » 05 Feb 2012, 23:00

Helleo
Here is a some more photos of an Italian and a Greek Tobruk emplacement, from Forteca Magazine #24-25.

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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by SES » 06 Feb 2012, 10:03

Hi Lars,
Nice pictures, thanks for sharing.
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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by KaiserChief » 06 Feb 2012, 14:55

Very nice scale drawings of Tobruks meant above are in this fantastic book:

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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by KaiserChief » 06 Feb 2012, 14:57

Lars Bertelsen wrote:Italian and a Greek Tobruk emplacement,
Not Greek - Yugoslavian (Rupnik line).

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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by KaiserChief » 08 Feb 2013, 13:16

I´ve found a very nice photo of tobrukstand witj platform for MG...

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http://g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=138728

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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by dirk Peeters » 08 Feb 2013, 20:13

it s an Ic 116
the place La grand Vey (Utah beach)
This one still exists
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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by der bunkermann » 18 Feb 2020, 15:50

Hi guys,
here some nice info, related to the development of the tobruk as the replacement of the VF 3..
3Mai'42, from festungpionierkommandeur XVIII, after a inspectiontrip by Gen. d. pion. u. fest. Jacob

gr, Tim
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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by dirk Peeters » 18 Feb 2020, 18:29

very nice info
Thanks

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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by der bunkermann » 18 Feb 2020, 18:47

needles to say,
the big tekst should be readed first

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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by Jens Andersen » 07 Mar 2020, 19:02

Another German document calling the Ringstand "Tobruk-Stand", appendix to a report dated 6.5.1943.

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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by jopaerya » 08 Mar 2020, 10:40

Thanks Jens

Great drawing

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Re: The mother of all Tobruks

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Post by herring » 08 Mar 2020, 14:46

Very interesting. "Missing link" between VF8 and Rs58?

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